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Liam McBean

Ivan was given best player votes last round. Liam didn't get any votes. He's polled in one game out of 6 regardless of goals kicked. Do those watching him play think that's reasonable? I haven't seen him this year but the reports indicate he hasn't been starring.
 
rosy23 said:
Ivan was given best player votes last round. Liam didn't get any votes. He's polled in one game out of 6 regardless of goals kicked. Do those watching him play think that's reasonable? I haven't seen him this year but the reports indicate he hasn't been starring.

Strange considering he's 3rd in the VFL for goals and averages just under 2 contested marks a game, and 4 total marks a game.
 
jb03 said:
Cloke kicked 4 and it is all over the media that he returned to form.

Top pick up there JB! Pretty funny isn't it...

McBean kicks 4 and he isn't doing enough. Cloke kicks four and he should be back in the team ASAP.
 
K3 said:
Top pick up there JB! Pretty funny isn't it...

McBean kicks 4 and he isn't doing enough. Cloke kicks four and he should be back in the team ASAP.

Except by all accounts he won't be replacing any of Cox, White, Moore or Grundy in a currently winning side.
 
tigertim said:
Except by all accounts he won't be replacing any of Cox, White, Moore or Grundy in a currently winning side.

Those guys are playing well. We have an obvious candidate that isn't.
 
rosy23 said:
It seems to me those who haven't seen Liam play this year are basing their hopes on goal tallies. Reading the weekly reports that isn't an issue with the powers to be. Liam must know what aspects of his game he needs to work on.

Ive seen him play and let me tell u he does more than Ty, vickery luvs to wave his hands up in the air like U9's kick it to me, kick it to me where as mcbean roams around creating space knows where to run...
Needs to be a little more defensive but geez same can be said bout Ty...Goalless last 2 weeks and 1 kick in 4 qtrs V Freo without question should be dropped...
 
jb03 said:
Cloke kicked 4 and it is all over the media that he returned to form.

It' s amazing. The Bean kicks four and cops a PRE serve.

I have no idea what the coaching panel could be waiting for to call him up.

If it's effort, I hope the same criteria is applied to that bludger at full forward who is taking his spot.
 
rosy23 said:
Ivan was given best player votes last round. Liam didn't get any votes. He's polled in one game out of 6 regardless of goals kicked. Do those watching him play think that's reasonable? I haven't seen him this year but the reports indicate he hasn't been starring.

Fantastic. That means if Hampson were to get injured or if he were to lose form, we've got Ivan waiting in the wings.
Ivan isn't a key position forward however, so shouldn't be picked to play as a forward when he isn't one.

You're argument about being in the bests is a bit simplistic. Yes it's reasonable that Liam hasn't been up there more often. Our midfield has been beyond woeful, and if you see how many forward opportunities he's given, you'd see he hasn't really had much chance to impact contests. What's more an indication is when our midfield has been on top (our two wins) the output we've been able to get from McBean.

Could he be doing more? Absolutely. Unless you're Jack Riewoldt I'd say all our key forwads could do more. Is McBean doing more than Vickery is currently, the answer is yes. That's the grounds for him to be promoted. Vickery is out of form, and not showing as much as the person who'd replace him.
 
The_General said:
Fantastic. That means if Hampson were to get injured or if he were to lose form, we've got Ivan waiting in the wings.
Ivan isn't a key position forward however, so shouldn't be picked to play as a forward when he isn't one.

You're argument about being in the bests is a bit simplistic. Yes it's reasonable that Liam hasn't been up there more often. Our midfield has been beyond woeful, and if you see how many forward opportunities he's given, you'd see he hasn't really had much chance to impact contests. What's more an indication is when our midfield has been on top (our two wins) the output we've been able to get from McBean.

Could he be doing more? Absolutely. Unless you're Jack Riewoldt I'd say all our key forwads could do more. Is McBean doing more than Vickery is currently, the answer is yes. That's the grounds for him to be promoted. Vickery is out of form, and not showing as much as the person who'd replace him.

Well said, making a lot of sense of late General.
 
What is my argument General and scoop. Not sure I made one. More an observation. Also why do people need to bring Ty into the discussion about Liam so often. Makes it seem there's not a real strong case for him on his own merits. At least Ben isn't being brought into it so often now.
 
The_General said:
Fantastic. That means if Hampson were to get injured or if he were to lose form, we've got Ivan waiting in the wings.
Ivan isn't a key position forward however, so shouldn't be picked to play as a forward when he isn't one.

You're argument about being in the bests is a bit simplistic. Yes it's reasonable that Liam hasn't been up there more often. Our midfield has been beyond woeful, and if you see how many forward opportunities he's given, you'd see he hasn't really had much chance to impact contests. What's more an indication is when our midfield has been on top (our two wins) the output we've been able to get from McBean.

Could he be doing more? Absolutely. Unless you're Jack Riewoldt I'd say all our key forwads could do more. Is McBean doing more than Vickery is currently, the answer is yes. That's the grounds for him to be promoted. Vickery is out of form, and not showing as much as the person who'd replace him.

This is probably the most reasonable argument in this thread for his inclusion this year.
 
rosy23 said:
What is my argument General and scoop. Not sure I made one. More an observation. Also why do people need to bring Ty into the discussion about Liam so often. Makes it seem there's not a real strong case for him on his own merits. At least Ben isn't being brought into it so often now.

Beats me too Rosy. Why people would want to compare non performing tall forwards in the firsts with performing tall forwards in the seconds is mind boggling.

Good point about Ben too. Scores 5 goals once in a career and rightfully has a nice bank of 6 or 7 games guaranteed. Beanie kicks 4 bags of 5 in an 8 game block and obviously needs to back it up.

Pretty black and white when you think about it.
 
lamb22 said:
Beats me too Rosy. Why people would want to compare non performing tall forwards in the firsts with performing tall forwards in the seconds is mind boggling.

Good point about Ben too. Scores 5 goals once in a career and rightfully has a nice bank of 6 or 7 games guaranteed. Beanie kicks 4 bags of 5 in an 8 game block and obviously needs to back it up.

Pretty black and white when you think about it.

Are we in Bizaro land ?
 
lamb22 said:
Beats me too Rosy. Why people would want to compare non performing tall forwards in the firsts with performing tall forwards in the seconds is mind boggling.

Good point about Ben too. Scores 5 goals once in a career and rightfully has a nice bank of 6 or 7 games guaranteed. Beanie kicks 4 bags of 5 in an 8 game block and obviously needs to back it up.

Pretty black and white when you think about it.

Seems pretty obvious to me that goal kicking isn't the reason Liam isn't being selected yet it's easy to think he doesn't have a lot more to his bag of tricks going by the amount it's refered to.
 
rosy23 said:
Seems pretty obvious to me that goal kicking isn't the reason Liam isn't being selected yet it's easy to think he doesn't have a lot more to his bag of tricks going by the amount it's refered to.

Apart from goal assists and terrific decision making and ball use around the ground you are pretty much spot on.
 
lamb22 said:
Apart from goal assists and terrific decision making and ball use around the ground you are pretty much spot on.

Thought you said you hadn't seen him much this year. Where do you get that info from.
 
rosy23 said:
What is my argument General and scoop. Not sure I made one. More an observation. Also why do people need to bring Ty into the discussion about Liam so often. Makes it seem there's not a real strong case for him on his own merits. At least Ben isn't being brought into it so often now.

People bring Ty into it because he should be dropped and Liam should be promoted into that role. Simple really.