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Liam McBean
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Sorry, may have been mentioned in this thread before but I liken our McBean to Daniher. Best mates off the field and as youngsters showed a lot of promise. Daniher got his chance early at the Bombers and struggled, in fact ridiculed by some. Whilst Daniher was learning his trade at AFL level our McBean was playing some decent footy at VFL level (couple of years one of the leading goal kickers at VFL). Today Daniher is doing okay at AFL while Liam seems to be a player void of confidence. It would have been interesting to see both players development if Liam was given the chances that Daniher has been given. Having Vickery and Griffiths doesn't help. Although Liam can take some responsibility, I believe the RFC footy department, especially the development area, has been derelict in its duty. If Vickery and or Griffiths were kicking bags of goals each week and then okay, but both payers have been a huge disappointment.
The_General said:
UntamedTiger said:
I was not referring to other players or double standards or the last 8 games last season. This is a new season. Reading the reports it seems clear Liam's form hasn't warranted selection yet.
I want Liam to become a valuable long term contributor in our senior side. The coach has spoken of things they obviously want him to work on. People can feel sorry for him and talk of him giving up hope and wanting a trade but I reckon it would be more productive for him to do the things asked of him and make them select him.
I don't buy the coaches hate him talk. There has to be a reason he's not selected. I don't know what it is. I am hoping it's in the process of developing a well rounded long term player. What I do know is the better and more consistently Liam performs the better his chances of making it.
Tigers of Old said:
Mate, if Chaplin is the alternative, as has been the case this year and crashing packs, impacting the contest and providing defensive pressure are the pre-req's there is simply no way Chaplin should get a game ahead of Beanie.
But I guess that inability to make hard decisions or judge a players ability are a large reason why the club finds itself where it does today.
Chaplin is not playing instead of McBean, he is playing in the backline.Leysy Days said:
He played one game forward and one quarter, the last against Adelaide I think. Chaplin is not keeping McBean out of the side right now, McBean is doing a really good job of that himself.
Sintiger said:
Not ATM Sin, but Dimmer has viewed him as the better option when a 3rd forward was required this year.
Laughable.
Just take your mind back to pre season before the bogus argument that Beanie needs to earn it did the rounds. Remember Beanie had come off 3 - 5 goal hauls and 21 goals in total in his last 6 VFL games.
1. Beanie did not get any game time.
2. Chappy played forward.
3. Chol played 3 games as a forward ruck.
Once again just another example of Hardwick's brain farts and wasting a pre season, but what do you think is the message Liam got?
1. Beanie did not get any game time.
2. Chappy played forward.
3. Chol played 3 games as a forward ruck.
Once again just another example of Hardwick's brain farts and wasting a pre season, but what do you think is the message Liam got?
Broders said:
You just have to watch this year's games to see that most of the team doesn't work hard enough. I think this concept is a furphy. The true test of a player's desire and work ethic is at the top level, particularly if you are a tall forward where a lot relies on your team mates up the ground. I just don't understand why you keep a player on the list for 4 years and not give them a go to see what they can give. I know talls take longer but 4 years for 2 games? Just cut em loose if you don't want them and give the team list spot to someone who you believe in.
rosy23 said:
I think his unique abilities and what he would bring to the team warrants a call up.
I cant speak for what Liam feels but if I was working somewhere and was the best performed employee over 3 years, came in on time, did my best and then the boss' favourite gets continuous promotions and I don't get a pay rise or any positive feedback I'd probably get a bit disheartened.
I get the impression that Liam is very ambitous and very impatient to be a top line AFL footballer. Clearly Richmond appears to be the wrong club for him. Doubly sad as I believe he was a Richmond tragic as a kid.
Beanie could go on a goal feast as much as he likes but he still won't be picked!
That isn't "boogieman" speak its precedence.
If I were Beanie I'd GTFO while I'm young enough.
No matter how many goals he kicks, how many Best Ons... he will never get a game here.
Thats not the only thing that makes me sick in the guts...
The generic argument that his form hasn't warranted selection I present you One Legged, One Dimensional Shaun Hampspud and PEAHEART Griffiths!
Wow, what magical form did they display???
both are SERIOUS SERIAL FAILIURES!!!
Spread your wings Beano!!!
That isn't "boogieman" speak its precedence.
If I were Beanie I'd GTFO while I'm young enough.
No matter how many goals he kicks, how many Best Ons... he will never get a game here.
Thats not the only thing that makes me sick in the guts...
The generic argument that his form hasn't warranted selection I present you One Legged, One Dimensional Shaun Hampspud and PEAHEART Griffiths!
Wow, what magical form did they display???
both are SERIOUS SERIAL FAILIURES!!!
Spread your wings Beano!!!
rosy23 said:
Equally Rosy, if it's a new season, why is Chaplin given games as a forward in front of him? He's not displayed any of the traits that make a successful forward. It seems he's being played in reputation or past glory. As for Hampson any Ivan, I can't explain why we'd pick either as a third tall, it proved a failure and seemed from the outset to be one.
I don't think coaches hate him either, that's just rubbish. I don't think they're handling him well though. Giving him a few games as a sign of belief, over a Chaplin for example may actually illustrate to him how close he is/isn't. I also think McBean will not get delisted as some are predicting. The club have been more patient with others that have produced much less than him. However, he may bail for greater opportunities at another club, which would be our loss.
He's not the messiah as some joke, but he's not a naughty boy either. However, judging him by his output at VFL this season is fraught with danger given the ineptitude of our midfield. It's no coincidence I feel, that the one game our mids got on top, he produced a good effort.
I was surprised he didn't get a game in the pre-season and posted it at the time although i must admit to having a bit of fun with the Beanie cheer squad.lamb22 said:
You raise McBean's last 6 games of 2015 but it is interesting to compare the Mcbean stats with Vickery's which were of course in the AFL team. Last 6 games of 2015 incl the elimination final. Average over 11 possessions and 5 marks per game. Kicked 18 goals in his last 6 matches. Right now he is the whipping boy despite kicking 14 goals in 7 games this year so far. In his last 13 games he has averaged close to 2.5 goals a game, that's a 50+ return key forward.
I only posted that to make a point and to be sure stats can lie and I have been critical of TV's effort so far this year. Compare that with McBean's output in the vfl so far this season. The thing I just don't understand is that so many are critical of players who are in the 1sts but refuse to be critical of players showing the same traits in the vfl.
So many keep on going back to history with McBean but all most supporters are doing is calling for him is to step up now. Maybe he was due a few more games, maybe he wasn't but the simple fact is that there is a spot waiting for him. I would be very disappointed if he has dropped his bottom lip.
It happened but outside the pre season Chappy has played one game as a key forward plus the last quarter against Adelaide after starting in defence. It happened once so don't overstate itLeysy Days said:
Rosy23 wrote:
Think that’s one of the main reasons there have been 431 pages to date. Tons of theories... but little in the way of definitive answers. It's still a mystery to me.
Wonder if Beanie reads all this?
Think that’s one of the main reasons there have been 431 pages to date. Tons of theories... but little in the way of definitive answers. It's still a mystery to me.
Wonder if Beanie reads all this?
Sintiger said:
He didn't overstate it. Can't argue though that when required Hardwick preferred Chaplin over Mcbean.
Sin. I'm not in the drop Vickery cheersquad. He has many annoying traits which if eradicated would make him a better footballer.
He should be producing closer to his Collingwood form from last year more often.
If a forward is averaging 3 goals a game, he is valuable.
The key issue here is that Beanie is unquestionably a better forward than Griffiths Chaplin, Morris, Hammer, Maric and Gordon (very low bar BTW) all of whom have taken a forward spot before him the last two years.
He should be producing closer to his Collingwood form from last year more often.
If a forward is averaging 3 goals a game, he is valuable.
The key issue here is that Beanie is unquestionably a better forward than Griffiths Chaplin, Morris, Hammer, Maric and Gordon (very low bar BTW) all of whom have taken a forward spot before him the last two years.
