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Liam McBean
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lamb22 said:
Different players and different roles.
Look at the last VFL game Ben and Liam played together in.
Rd vs Sandringham
Goals Ben 2 Liam 1
Behinds Ben 1 Liam 2
Effective kicks Ben 7 Liam 1
Ineffective kicks Ben 3 Liam 3
Effective handballs Ben 3 Liam 0
Ineffective handballs Ben 1 Liam 0
Contested marks Ben 4 Liam 1
Uncontested marks Ben 5 Liam 1
Marks Ben 9 Liam 2
Tackles Ben 1 Liam 1
Unlike some I don't think they are vying for the same spot but based on those stats which player deserved a call up more?
SCOOP said:
I'm not denying that. Last year Liam could easily have had a call up. This year his form has been ordinary. I suspect he'll need to lift his act to get a call up. Last year's form is irrelevant to this year's selection.
Lamby says I'm getting desperate. Until he stops including Liam's last 8 2015 games to pump up his stats, and uses this year's to make a good case instead, I'll know who the desperate one is. :hihi
rosy23 said:
Who cares how long it would take for him to cop critical analysis? A percentage will love him, a percentage wil hate him, that's what opinion is. He's an AFL listed player, he's been on the list for 4 years and played 2 games. Give the guy a decent run, like others have been given, to see if he has what it takes. I'm sure he'd prefer that to worrying about how PREenders will react if he doesn't perform. And the club will be more informed to make a decision on his future for 2017.
rosy23 said:
4th on the goal kicking ladder playing full forward in one of the worst teams in the competition. His output is ALWAYS going to be partly influenced by the quality of the team. Anyone ever played in the forward line in a poor team? The ball doesn't come down as often. McBean may not be setting the world on fire but his so called lack of form is being well over-stated. He needs to get AFL quality game time to show whether he has the tools to make it.
rosy23 said:
Cheeky cheeky , that's not what you said. You compared Griff and Hammer's senior stats to Beanies VFL stats LAST GAME which VFL stats show 10 possessions and two goals. Hammer and Griff collectively had 1 goal and 14 posssessions.
You then compounded that by cherry picking Beanie's worst game in his last 13 having kicked 37 goals and averaging multiple contested marks in the other 12 games you 'ignored'.
Really Rosy, you can do better than that!
Week 2 18 possession 8 marks 3 contested marks 5 goals
Week 3 15 possessions 4 contested marks 10 contested possessions 1 goal
Week 4 4 possessions 1 goal
Week 5 10 possessions 2 goals
Plus 4 bags of 5 goals last 11 games
Which game does Rosy pick to 'make her point'?
PS The above is Beanie playing poorly BTW!
PPS They'd build a statue for Griff he he posted those figures over 4 weeks (and a mausoleum for Hammer if he did it)
Week 3 15 possessions 4 contested marks 10 contested possessions 1 goal
Week 4 4 possessions 1 goal
Week 5 10 possessions 2 goals
Plus 4 bags of 5 goals last 11 games
Which game does Rosy pick to 'make her point'?
PS The above is Beanie playing poorly BTW!
PPS They'd build a statue for Griff he he posted those figures over 4 weeks (and a mausoleum for Hammer if he did it)
lamb22 said:
I chose that game because they both played in it and people were going crook about Ben getting the call up. Which player, based on stats as you keep referring to, deserved the call up?
Now tell us why you left week 1 out?
One thing I think is probably accurate is you saying Liam is playing poorly. I hope he picks up soon.
rosy23 said:I chose that game because they both played in it and people were going crook about Ben getting the call up. Which player, based on stats as you keep referring to, deserved the call up?
Now tell us why you left week 1 out?
One thing I think is probably accurate is you saying Liam is playing poorly. I hope he picks up soon.
So you concede your point in your earlier post was wrong, seeing you wont go near it?
lamb22 said:
I wouldn't have a clue what you're on about to be honest. I didn't even mention hit outs in the post you had a crack at.
However people want to look at it they are drawing a long bow bagging out Ben and Shaun and building Liam up in regards to a spot in the senior team. None of them are too much chop at the moment imo.
In the VFL Liam had 2 effective kicks, 4 ineffective kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks (1 contested), 2 goals, 1 behind, 1 tackle.
Playing AFL Shaun had 6 disposals @100% effectiveness, 4 marks (1 contested) 3 tackles, 3 1%ers, 37 hitouts
Playing AFL Ben had 8 contested possessions and 2 uncontested possessions, 4 marks (2 contested), 3 tackles, 6 1%ers, 1 goal, 1 behind, 7 hitouts.
rosy23 said:
Now that's a bit of a cop out. Lambs post is quite clear.
You definitely aren't one who is potting Liam and it appears you are supportive of him. On that one game you note Liam was poor but it is impossible to deny he has not been judged to the same standards as others not been afforded equal opportunities.
Lamby, why don't you hang outside Hardwick's house and, with megaphone in hand, continue to extoll the virtues of McBean until Hardwick relents and selects him.
I think a point is ur comparing hampson who has been in the system long enough to now be an good if not elite player, griffo who now has enough games and chances to have demanded his spot as a promissing tall. To Liam who has not been given any chance at afl level.
By now he should have have played 20-30 afl games to show either he has the attributes or not. He's still on the list and been given no opportunities. Yet others have and continue to fail, and are still given opportunities. Why???
Give someone else a go if they have continuously kept failing. But no. Keep going and hoping somehow they will all of a suden become great players. Well they won't!!!
By now he should have have played 20-30 afl games to show either he has the attributes or not. He's still on the list and been given no opportunities. Yet others have and continue to fail, and are still given opportunities. Why???
Give someone else a go if they have continuously kept failing. But no. Keep going and hoping somehow they will all of a suden become great players. Well they won't!!!
lamb22 said:
That's one way to look at it Lamby. Another would be that the coaches know where Beany is at and what he needs to do to develop towards an AFL call-up. He needs to build his upper body and his tank and improve his defensive side. Incidentally and going off not seeing him at all this year, would building his body over the off season would explain a few backward steps early this year? On Chol they needed to see where he was at so it made sense to play him and throw him around to see how he would respond
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