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Liam McBean

Carter said:
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The guy is a freak and as a third forward wouldn't cop too much heat.

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whilst i reckon he has a future, the idea that he would get an easy ride playing as a tall forward is a bit of a furphy.

some match ups he would probably get include Josh Gibson, Jonas, Firrito, Fletcher. then when he has a shorter opponent they would try to bang him up. i think he would cop 'heat'. the question is whether he can handle it.
 
Brodders17 said:
whilst i reckon he has a future, the idea that he would get an easy ride playing as a tall forward is a bit of a furphy.

some match ups he would probably get include Josh Gibson, Jonas, Firrito, Fletcher. then when he has a shorter opponent they would try to bang him up. i think he would cop 'heat'. the question is whether he can handle it.

They can try and bash him all they want, he's actually pretty resilient.

McBean could own a lump of clay like Firrito.

Gibbo would be tough but he'd be giving away at least 12cm. Plus, keeping Gibbo honest so he can't go third up is half the battle.

Three dangerous, mobile talls in Jack, Griff and McBean should be RFC porn. Any highlights packages would surely be wrapped in plastic.
 
The critical thing for me at draft time was McBean's core strength, it was a case of weighing up similar scenarios in Tony Notte & Jarrod Grant. Sometimes a body type can only pack on a certain amount of extra strength & power. For Liam to succeed he'll need to adapt his game in a similar manner to Gunstan, that means he'll also need to maximise every opportunity he gets, no easy feat considering Gunstan is arguably the best set shot in the league. There's still plenty of time on his hands but we are fast approaching the critcal time for a tall to get some senior experience under his belt, that's not to say he needs to take the AFL by storm but he will not progress by simply kicking 40 goals a season in the VFL.
 
Sintiger said:
He signed a 2 year deal at the end of 2014.
Fair enough. I have a good third-hand source that says he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get a game. But he should get a game. He learns. There was that marking attempt in the third quarter when he had the sit but went for the body instead of leaping at the ball. Watching, I muttered to myself, "Mate. Knee in the kidneys, ball at the high point." Next chance, on the wing, plants the knee into Roughead's soft spots, takes the speckie, lands like a cat and hits Lloyd on the tit.

He's a bit special.
 
spook said:
Fair enough. I have a good third-hand source that says he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get a game. But he should get a game. He learns. There was that marking attempt in the third quarter when he had the sit but went for the body instead of leaping at the ball. Watching, I muttered to myself, "Mate. Knee in the kidneys, ball at the high point." Next chance, on the wing, plants the knee into Roughead's soft spots, takes the speckie, lands like a cat and hits Lloyd on the tit.

He's a bit special.

I was standing right near the bench when he took that grab and Hardwick gave him a massive pat on the back when he came off as if to say 'See you can do it!'
I think he'll gets into a bit of trouble if he tries to wrestle his opponents. He's pretty effective on the lead or when he's got a jump at it, but then a lot of forwards are.
 
Let's look at the Mcbean question from another angle.

Let's not make it about Liam but instead about our forward line and in particular our main forward Jack.

For years Hardwick has made Jack sacrifice parts of his game so that he can help the other forwards. All well and good, but who the frack helps Jack? Kingy used too but he is gone. Lids and Martin dont because they play to their strengths which are mostly individual efforts.

Vickery doesn't as he applies little or no pressure and takes space a lot of the time.

To his credit Griff does within his limitations as he dishes off well and appears to run good patterns.

Edwards does sometimes but he is usually the recipient with Jack rather than provider.

Mcbean's smarts would double Jack's potential as he actually has the game to help Jack, whether through a tap on, a dribble through, a dummy, a dummy lead or a gold plated assist.

So when I cry out for Beanie it's not for Liam's sake but for ours!
 
Tigers of Old said:
Fans also need a bit of balance.
Sure he did a couple of nice things but he also struggled on occasions to impact the marking and ground contests and kicked a grubber pass.
We're all looking for signs Carter but not all of them were good and you have the blinkers on if you think all he does is gold.
That said I hope he gets another game in the NAB under better conditions so we can see a bit more of the good stuff.

That grubber pass resulted in a goal. Can hardly count it as a negative.

People on here are misunderstanding McBean. There's a lot of 'body strength' this, 'making a contest' that. McBean's strength is not his strength. It's his brain. He thinks like a forward, and moves like a midfielder. Because he's a step ahead of the game, and skilful enough to make use of that.

He's very Jacklike in the way he moves the ball to advantage. He knows where the dangerous space is, and moves quickly to get it there. That grubber pass came off the boot messily, but it's because he saw a dangerous spot, and knew he had to jab quickly to get the ball there. He put the ball out in front of one of our players, who would then have space to use it.

That sort of forward play creates goals. It's his reading of player movement, ball flight and his game sense that is the reason he's kicked so many goals in the VFL and created a forward line out of nothing. The fact that he's 202 cm is a bonus. It means he has potential over and above what he can already do. The speccies, the pack marks, are what will eventually make him unstoppable. He hasn't mastered those yet, but the sheer height, once he develops a 25-26 year old body will allow him to.

Right now his smarts, goal sense, creativity and kicking skills are all assets that will increase the scoring power of our team. The experience he gains from that will turn him from a very effective forward line player into a 100 goal a year forward. Eventually.
 
Another 2 years of development at McBean will be Cherry Ripe to give opposition backmen nightmares

People doubting his talent,Ability and Strength will be in for a nasty shock at how skilled and strong he is (very luke mcguane like)

2016-2020/22 is going to be when we are challenging for the flag & We really do need another 2 midfielders that are A grade to get there but thats another topic
 
lamb22 said:
So when I cry out for Beanie it's not for Liam's sake but for ours!

That's such a good line I'm going to use it in life situations. Like when I'm driving long distance on holidays.
 
McBean will need to be on the list for another 5 years before he is ready...just sayin
 
Coburgtiger said:
That grubber pass resulted in a goal. Can hardly count it as a negative.

People on here are misunderstanding McBean. There's a lot of 'body strength' this, 'making a contest' that. McBean's strength is not his strength. It's his brain. He thinks like a forward, and moves like a midfielder. Because he's a step ahead of the game, and skilful enough to make use of that.

He's very Jacklike in the way he moves the ball to advantage. He knows where the dangerous space is, and moves quickly to get it there. That grubber pass came off the boot messily, but it's because he saw a dangerous spot, and knew he had to jab quickly to get the ball there. He put the ball out in front of one of our players, who would then have space to use it.

That sort of forward play creates goals. It's his reading of player movement, ball flight and his game sense that is the reason he's kicked so many goals in the VFL and created a forward line out of nothing. The fact that he's 202 cm is a bonus. It means he has potential over and above what he can already do. The speccies, the pack marks, are what will eventually make him unstoppable. He hasn't mastered those yet, but the sheer height, once he develops a 25-26 year old body will allow him to.

Right now his smarts, goal sense, creativity and kicking skills are all assets that will increase the scoring power of our team. The experience he gains from that will turn him from a very effective forward line player into a 100 goal a year forward. Eventually.

Agree with this.

I don't care if he plays like Stephen Milne, as long as he creates goals at will. It's especially important to categorise McBean correctly in 2015 as we currently have a surplus of tall forwards anyway.

Riewoldt
Vickery McBean
Griffiths

However, he'll need to seriously improve his defensive tackling if he wants to be treated as a 'medium/small forward' category and play alongside multiple talls (which is required if he can't mark).

Needs to mark more or tackle more.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Oh yes I forgot his sh!t doesn't stink. Forgive me.

The kick was deliberate and audacious. He was actually targetting Chris Knights running into goal.
 
lamb22 said:
The kick was deliberate and audacious. He was actually targetting Chris Knights running into goal.
Everyone tries to hit a target when they kick.
A grubber is a sh!t kick no matter how you slice it. If it had been McGuane we wouldn't have heard the end of it! ;D
Liam threw his head back after he muffed it, even he knew it was lucky that it turned out ok.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Everyone tries to hit a target when they kick.
A grubber is a sh!t kick no matter how you slice it. If it had been McGuane we wouldn't have heard the end of it! ;D
Liam threw his head back after he muffed it, even he knew it was lucky that it turned out ok.

I think the thing you're missing ToO, is that, yes the kick was muffed, but because of where he chose to put it, it was a percentage option.

Sometimes you can mung punt a kick, but if you're putting it into a dangerous area, it doesn't matter so much. McBean identified the dangerous area (one of his greatest assets), and got the ball there ASAP.

He was annoyed with himself for scrapping it, because he expects better. But his instinct makes us dangerous.
 
I have a theory that teams on the bottom and at the top of the ladder play these guys.

If you are the Bulldogs, McBean has already played 25 games.

If you are Sydney or Hawthorn, you can afford the luxury of playing a guy that doesn't get truckloads of posessions or contested grabs every week. surrounded by silk mcbean gets 2-3 goals and the same assists most games.

It is the Richmonds of the competition that keep a bloke like McBean under the tarp.

Clubs with solid KPs and diligent, industrious contested styles that rely on a deep, hard working roster of mids that rotate through.

The Bulldogs would play him because he provides much needed class.

The Hawks would play him because they can afford to carry class.

We, on the other hand, have just come off five years of defensive drill instruction and are only now daring to inject class into the senior list.

Despite all that there are real signs Morris will play as defensive forward.

Vickery can ruck. Griffiths is more seasoned.

This club's entire ethos is about playing the percentages. It remains to be seen whether that hard line approach gets us to multiple finals wins.

Me? I say we now have a disciplined, hard working team. Dimma deserves credit for that. But lets get some x factor into forward 50. We look dour and predictable down there.

McBean will be a champion. Lets hope it's not for another club.
 
Carter said:
I have a theory that teams on the bottom and at the top of the ladder play these guys.

If you are the Bulldogs, McBean has already played 25 games.

If you are Sydney or Hawthorn, you can afford the luxury of playing a guy that doesn't get truckloads of posessions or contested grabs every week. surrounded by silk mcbean gets 2-3 goals and the same assists most games.

It is the Richmonds of the competition that keep a bloke like McBean under the tarp.

Clubs with solid KPs and diligent, industrious contested styles that rely on a deep, hard working roster of mids that rotate through.

The Bulldogs would play him because he provides much needed class.

The Hawks would play him because they can afford to carry class.

We, on the other hand, have just come off five years of defensive drill instruction and are only now daring to inject class into the senior list.

Despite all that there are real signs Morris will play as defensive forward.

Vickery can ruck. Griffiths is more seasoned.

This club's entire ethos is about playing the percentages. It remains to be seen whether that hard line approach gets us to multiple finals wins.

Me? I say we now have a disciplined, hard working team. Dimma deserves credit for that. But lets get some x factor into forward 50. We look dour and predictable down there.

McBean will be a champion. Lets hope it's not for another club.
nah

He doesn't play at Sydney because Buddy, Tippett and Reid are ahead of him

He doesn't play at Hawthorn because Roughead, Hale and Gunston are ahead of him

He doesn't play at Richmond because Jack, Vickery and Griffiths are ahead of him. It's his job to get ahead of them through performance