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Liam McBean

lamb22 said:
I take your point Sin, but IMO he will play better in the firsts than the seconds when he has better payers to both deliver and receive from him.

That old chestnut. He will also get tougher opponents in the AFL lamby..
I hope Liam gets an opportunity or 2 this year to show his improvement but he's not going to find it any easier in the seniors.
If I was an opposition coach the matchup would be straight forward until he becomes a genuine aerial threat.
This is where the comparisons with a player like Gunston fall down currently.

Sintiger said:
From what I have seen of him at Coburg and in Richmond 2nd he has played mostly as a giant half forward flanker. Incredibly clever and dangerous for a big man.

He has never taken enough marks or got to enough marking contests and if he doesn't do that on the big stage his crumbing and agility will not be enough, he will just get buffeted out of the contest.

he has to be a double threat at AFL level, both in the air and on the ground. That doesn't mean he has to mark like Royce Hart, it just means that he needs to take a few grabs, get to contests and cause crumbs. His agility will make it hard for the 200cm guy he has to play on then rather than the more mobile 3rd tall who would play on him now who won't be threatened by his marking and can match him on the ground.

Excellent post.
 
Tigertool said:
It was a 1 year deal. http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2014/10/richmond-tigers-re-sign-jake-batchelor-ricky-petterd-matt-thomas-matt-dea-matt-mcdonough-and-todd-elton/

That was Elton, McBean has signed until end of 2016.
 
Stylo said:
It's his fourth. He was drafted with Ellis.
Sheesh! According to the club website he was drafted in the 2012 draft, that occurs at the end of the 2012 season not before. So he's completed the 2013 and 2014 seasons and is about to commence the 2015 season,
He's had two seasons and is about to start his third season.
 
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TigerMasochist said:
Griffinator has come from a lower junior base than Beanie n it's taken him five years to put glimpses into genuine potential. Beanie's had two years n still has plenty of time to grow n develop. Just wish fans would stop expecting all the kids to own the comp within their first season or two.

Spot on TM.. McBean is a talent who may or may not make it. Talls take longer. There is a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet.
 
antman said:
Spot on TM.. McBean is a talent who may or may not make it. Talls take longer. There is a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet.

With all respect Antman, these comments are made in a vaccuum.

It's as if Beanie is puppet meandering around lost in the wilderness, one day hoping to be a real boy.

Context is key and Beanie has outperformed his contemporaries in Daniher & Hogan at VFL level.

He has vastly outperformed Griff over anything he produced in years 1 - 4.

Sure he'll get better with time and that's why he is so scary. A 202 cm leading forward who can run jump turn and twist and deadly with the ball with the strength to hold off his opponent. Phew!

But that's in the future. In the present he is good enough to hold down a spot in our forward 6.

He goes at over 2.5 goals a game ( 74 goals in 29 games) playing in rubbish teams.

He doesn't need to prove anything at VFL level. He needs a go at AFL level.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Does he get a game ahead of Vickery? That's who I see as his chief competition for a spot.

If Griffiths can relief ruck, yes.

This is the thing - Hardwick had the chance to send shock waves through the competition by promoting an in-form McBean just before he did his ankle.

The guy is a freak and as a third forward wouldn't cop too much heat.

As discussed earlier in this holy thread, the whole weight thing is a myth. 1970s thinking.

Fans need to look closely at the things McBean can do. Sure he had a handful of possessions on Saturday, but we're after signs and skillsets.

a) he took two grabs of very high difficulty. the first in Q3 and the second in Q4. that last one was spinning away like a rocket and he needed to twist his body while running full pelt. he clunked the mofo like he was Richo.

b) he demonstrated elite kicking skills. after the Q3 grab he laid off a pass that was cm perfect. that set shot in Q4 was fair dinkum the best attempt by any player from either side kicking into that northerly. it hit the post 3/4 up but it was 55m directly INTO the hot wind.

we aren't seeing huge numbers in these junk NAB games but the guy is all class. his ceiling is enormous and I have faith those that matter at the club have seen it.

I worry Dimma is inherently too conservative to play the bloke because he doesn't fit in with the lock, hold and press game plan.

someone raised the prospect of a club raiding for McBean. why wouldn't you?

if this club loses someone of his calibre, both physically and in the leadership stakes, then the next era deserves to come crumbling down. cos he's a cornerstone.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Sheesh! According to the club website he was drafted in the 2012 draft, that occurs at the end of the 2012 season not before. So he's completed the 2013 and 2014 seasons and is about to commence the 2015 season,
He's had two seasons and is about to start his third season.

He was drafted in 2011, website must be a typo.
 
Carter said:
I worry Dimma is inherently too conservative to play the bloke because he doesn't fit in with the lock, hold and press game plan.

someone raised the prospect of a club raiding for McBean. why wouldn't you?

if this club loses someone of his calibre, both physically and in the leadership stakes, then the next era deserves to come crumbling down. cos he's a cornerstone.

I think it is more of team balance at the moment

Can you have a team of Maric, Vickery, Riewoldt, Chaplin, Rance, Astbury and Griff on the park at once with McBean included.

I think if the sport starts to rotate its better players (rest them) then he should get plenty of games.

I was disappointed he didn't get selected in that Carlton game also, but I was not that worried as his turn will come - hopefully some time this year
 
Carter said:
Fans need to look closely at the things McBean can do. Sure he had a handful of possessions on Saturday, but we're after signs and skillsets.

a) he took two grabs of very high difficulty. the first in Q3 and the second in Q4. that last one was spinning away like a rocket and he needed to twist his body while running full pelt. he clunked the mofo like he was Richo.

b) he demonstrated elite kicking skills. after the Q3 grab he laid off a pass that was cm perfect. that set shot in Q4 was fair dinkum the best attempt by any player from either side kicking into that northerly. it hit the post 3/4 up but it was 55m directly INTO the hot wind.

Fans also need a bit of balance.
Sure he did a couple of nice things but he also struggled on occasions to impact the marking and ground contests and kicked a grubber pass.
We're all looking for signs Carter but not all of them were good and you have the blinkers on if you think all he does is gold.
That said I hope he gets another game in the NAB under better conditions so we can see a bit more of the good stuff.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Fans also need a bit of balance.
Sure he did a couple of nice things but he also struggled on occasions to impact the marking and ground contests and kicked a grubber pass.
We're all looking for signs Carter but not all of them were good and you have the blinkers on if you think all he does is gold.
That said I hope he gets another game in the NAB under better conditions so we can see a bit more of the good stuff.

He'll show us what he's got ToO ;D