Should't take a lot to usurp TV on recent years form/competitiveness.
Especially with Griff able to provide ruck relief now.
Especially with Griff able to provide ruck relief now.
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Liam McBean
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Sintiger said:
An overly simplistic view.
You're assuming that McBean could not replicate Reid's senior numbers at Sydney.
I reckon Sydney would take McBean over Reid in a heartbeat.
Gunston? What if McBean could be Gunston but over 200cm?
Too many fans look at age and games played and assume McBean must be behind our incumbents.
What if he wasn't behind Vickery and Griffiths? Just unacceptably attacking?
Assumptions with the key word in there being could.Carter said:
All I am asking if for McBean to show on the field that his potential is real. He has a great bag of tricks and now he has to knock the door down.
He isn't ready yet imo. When he is and shows it I will become his greatest fan.
Can't do a lot more than 76 goals from 29 games at VFL level Sin.
All he needs to do is get his fitness to a level for AFL football and with a full pre-season this year that should have eventuated.
All he needs to do is get his fitness to a level for AFL football and with a full pre-season this year that should have eventuated.
Sintiger said:
I think you've drunk too much of the RFC coolaid Sin.
What exactly does Liam have to do. He goes at over 2.5 goals a game. I love Jack who goes at 2.43 goals a game (381 from 157)
He has shown more as a forward at VFL level than Griff, Astbury, Elton or Ty ever have.
Your theory seems to be Beanie kicking 150 at VFL level and Morris and Ty stinking up the firsts. I'm sure we'll benefit from that strategy!
I don't drink anyone's Kool aid lamby. I call it as I see it.lamb22 said:
Have a look what I have posted on McBean since mid last year and you will see I have been totally consistent. Learn how to get to contests, build a tank, take a few grabs, become a double threat and not just a giant flanker.
He can do it but it's a matter of when, soon I hope.
When ty vickery smacked Cox last year one forward had to put up their hand and stake a claim to replace him and the person who did that was Ben Griffiths who played a blinder in the vfl. He took the chance and stayed in the team.
It's up to McBean to take the next one
Just out of curiosity...
Our first 4 games are against Carlton, Western Bulldogs, Brisbane and Melbourne.
If you played Beanie on a flank, who are the opposition players that would get him.
Mackie in Rd. 5 would probably torch him on the rebound as he has enough height and good body use to nullify him but I can't think of the other teams matchup.
Robert Murphy would not play on him as they would use him in an attacking role so who else back there has height ?
Carlton are extremely average down back and now that Bootsma is gone who is the next 3rd/4th tall squib?
Brisbane have lost Adcock so the depth charts all get bumped up one so there are question marks there as well.
I can't see a Jack, Ty, Beanie forward line working but I could see a Jack, Griff, Beanie forward line offering different skill sets.
It would be interesting to see that threesome at some point in the pre-season to see how they each work.
Our first 4 games are against Carlton, Western Bulldogs, Brisbane and Melbourne.
If you played Beanie on a flank, who are the opposition players that would get him.
Mackie in Rd. 5 would probably torch him on the rebound as he has enough height and good body use to nullify him but I can't think of the other teams matchup.
Robert Murphy would not play on him as they would use him in an attacking role so who else back there has height ?
Carlton are extremely average down back and now that Bootsma is gone who is the next 3rd/4th tall squib?
Brisbane have lost Adcock so the depth charts all get bumped up one so there are question marks there as well.
I can't see a Jack, Ty, Beanie forward line working but I could see a Jack, Griff, Beanie forward line offering different skill sets.
It would be interesting to see that threesome at some point in the pre-season to see how they each work.
Sintiger said:
Exactly Carts! Why not indeed.
If Beanie is good enough to be in our best 6 forwards, which he is, why does he have to jump all these extra hoops.
Lloyd has got similar weaknesses but he's played! Morris has limitations the length of your arm but he'll play FORWARD!
Griff had similar weaknesses but played year 1 and 2.
Why the special rules for Beanie!!
I'm not sure he has been held back in his first 2 years, no doubt he was on the verge in his first year but he got injured. It took him half of 2014 to recover from his injury and start to show glimpses of his first year form. By the end of the year, the seniors were on a roll and it was not the time to blood a colt.
A strong first month and he will be knocking on the door.
A strong first month and he will be knocking on the door.
What the hell was he doing whilst he was injured? Should have been bulking up, cause he will get smashed as a target week in, week out.Tigerflag2008 said:
Juffaricho said:
He's got 4 something weeks to prove he's up to it - but I like this thinking. And as others have suggested his natural skill sets complement Jack's so well it is an enticing prospect.
spook said:
This issue of getting game time into younger players is going to be a real issue for the club in the coming years and one which will need to be carefully managed.
I’m going to look at the matter in some detail – principally the sort of numbers of games which will be available to the youngsters.
All teams challenging for the flag are stable – their player rotations are low compared to developing squads. I’d like to think we’re in that mode – so already there will be less games available to youngsters from now on. What are the actual numbers? Here’s my estimate:
On all lines we have our regulars and our group of players which make up the rest of the squad depending on form and injury. Let’s say the regulars all play an average of 18 games per season.
Our regulars are:
Forwards: Jack Vickery Lids Knights Morris (5 x 18) = 90
Backs: Rance Chappie Houli Vlaus Grimes (5 x 18) = 90
Mids: Maric Cotchin Miles Martin Conca B.Ellis Grigg Edwards (8 x 18) = 144
So the regulars play a 324 of a total 484 games available – 160 remaining.
The balance of the team is made up of regular fillers. Let’s say they average 12 games per year.
Regular fillers:
Backs: Astbury Batch Newy (3 x 12) = 36
Forwards: Griffo Gordon Lloyd Petterd (4 x 12) = 48
Mids (very speculative) : Foley Thomas Hunt Hampson (4 x 12) = 48
So the regular fillers play an additional 132 games.
All up 29 players have accounted for 456 games.
That leaves 28 games for the remaining 16 players on the list at less than 2 games per player. For players like McIntosh, McDonough, McBean, Lennon and the older rookies it presents a dismal outlook.
You can always argue with who makes up the regulars and the fillers but the numbers won’t change that much – in a stable team there is not much room to blood youngsters.
Coburgtiger said:
On that we can agree that he at least put it into the danger zone. After that it becomes chaos ball, we got lucky on this occasion. Obviously a more accurate kick gives you a higher percentage result. Anyways I want to see what he's got in the seniors this year so we can at least start assessing his performance at AFL level and not endlessly hypothesise.
Tigers of Old said:
I can't see it happening this season unless we get many injuries and/or out of contention for the finals. He really needs to bulk-up if he's gonna face hard bodies and virtually play a full game.
I think it's dead obvious why he hasn't gotten a run, possibly when it looked like he should have. The club didn't wanna be picking up the remnants of his shoulders strewn all about the Punt Rd wing.
