Jay Schulz [Merged]

[taraba]

Geez. He was lazy and undisciplined when he was with us and has admitted as such.

There was no mistake in trading him. The only mistake was trading him for piggy Farmer. We basically gave him away for nothing. Therein lies the problem.

And the only reason anybody goes on about it is because our selection of talls has been shocking. We've passed on many talented talls due to drafting guys like Post, Griffiths, Batchelor etc... Bad 2nd round drafting has killed us.

 

[Bullarto Tiger]

We've been chasing our tails badly since trading him. We've had to fill his hole with players like Miller, McGuane and Edwards.

He is exactly what we currently need.

Agree, Tigertool. I reckon the Tigers might have snagged a couple of extra victories this season with him roaming across the half forward line. He takes more contested marks than Vickery does. And he is a pretty reliable kick for goal.

 

[Streak]

IMO, the point is he was never going to be that player with us.

Sure, I can't be certain, but we all saw glimpses of talent here (I think of that game against the Lions where he kicked a bag in a qtr.) and it never materialised into something.

Good luck to Sarge for finding his niche. But I really don't think he was going to be a player for us.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Geez. He was lazy and undisciplined when he was with us and has admitted as such.

There was no mistake in trading him. The only mistake was trading him for piggy Farmer. We basically gave him away for nothing. Therein lies the problem.

And the only reason anybody goes on about it is because our selection of talls has been shocking. We've passed on many talented talls due to drafting guys like Post, Griffiths, Batchelor etc... Bad 2nd round drafting has killed us.

Yep good post.

 

[Freezer]

Geez. He was lazy and undisciplined when he was with us and has admitted as such.

There was no mistake in trading him. The only mistake was trading him for piggy Farmer. We basically gave him away for nothing. Therein lies the problem.

You don't see the contradiction in your post?

 

[Tigers of Old]

IMO, the point is he was never going to be that player with us.

Sure, I can't be certain, but we all saw glimpses of talent here (I think of that game against the Lions where he kicked a bag in a qtr.) and it never materialised into something.

Good luck to Sarge for finding his niche. But I really don't think he was going to be a player for us.

We'll never know. Perhaps he would have done well under Dimma.
Anyways it was a poor list management by Cameron. We basically gave him away for peanuts.

 

[Dyer'ere]

I'll never forget that time when Silent Bob's mate was re-engaging with his arse groove on the HFF and a live footy confronted him. He pulled a phone out of his shorts and ordered a pizza.

I'm glad Jay made the best of his next chance.

 

[zippadeee]

He was another that was a true forward and the clowns tried turning him into a defender.
Only Richmond

 

[GoodOne]

He was another that was a true forward and the clowns tried turning him into a defender.
Only Richmond

He played predominantly as a forward and did jack. The defender approach was a last resort and thought his best games at Tigers was in the backline. He needed a change aof scenery pure and simple.

 

[Tigers of Old]

He played predominantly as a forward and did jack. The defender approach was a last resort and thought his best games at Tigers was in the backline. He needed a change aof scenery pure and simple.

Not pure and simple at all. Wallet in particular developed Jay very poorly. Shuffled him all over the place & in and out of the side.
The talent was clearly always there and it comes as no surprise to me that he's doing well now that he's been kept up forward as a main target.

 

[agincourt]

Not pure and simple at all. Wallet in particular developed Jay very poorly. Shuffled him all over the place & in and out of the side.
The talent was clearly always there and it comes as no surprise to me that he's doing well now that he's been kept up forward as a main target.

Is he doing well?

Port play an open forward line with Jay as one of, if not THE main lead up forward.....yet he hasn't even averaged 2 goals a game!
Luke McGun is averaging similar figures as the 3rd tall!

 

[Tigers of Old]

Is he doing well?

Yes. Watch some Port games of late. He has been excellent.
Don't be blinded by the goal stats they have him playing as the lead up CHF.

 

[GoodOne]

Not pure and simple at all. Wallet in particular developed Jay very poorly. Shuffled him all over the place & in and out of the side.
The talent was clearly always there and it comes as no surprise to me that he's doing well now that he's been kept up forward as a main target.

Later on yes he was put all over the place but early in his career, contrary to what zips says, and I agree is what is happening to most of our other talls these days, Schulz played forward and failed. I always said he had the talent but not the application and desire. And that was the frustation with a player like Schulz in a nutshell. And yes, I didn't think we should have kept Schulz any longer at the time after 7 average years at the cluib, but in hindsight if I knew that meant Miller, McGuane, Edwards as he alternatives...well what can you say?

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Yes. Watch some Port games of late. He has been excellent.
Don't be blinded by the goal stats they have him playing as the lead up CHF.

We could do with one of those right about now.

 

[Ruby]

I bumped into some family members of his on the ferry over to Rotternest WA in about (early) 2006. Pretty sure it was his uncle and aunt. They were on hols. They talked openly about him missing home and wanting to return. Got the impression from that conversation that his heart was never in it at Richmond, wasn't overly comfortable in Melbourne and was looking to return home to SA.

Perhaps with some players it doesn't matter what development the Tigers put into them, they just want to be elsewhere (ie Brad Ottens, Jay schulz). IMHO reflects on their professionalism or lack thereof ... but then again what can be done about a player who just doesn't want to be at the club?

 

[Stylo]

I bumped into some family members of his on the ferry over to Rotternest WA in about (early) 2006. Pretty sure it was his uncle and aunt. They were on hols. They talked openly about him missing home and wanting to return. Got the impression from that conversation that his heart was never in it at Richmond, wasn't overly comfortable in Melbourne and was looking to return home to SA.

Perhaps with some players it doesn't matter what development the Tigers put into them, they just want to be elsewhere (ie Brad Ottens, Jay schulz). IMHO reflects on their professionalism or lack thereof ... but then again what can be done about a player who just doesn't want to be at the club?

This, IMO, is why GWS will find it harder to get going than GC have

 

[Ruby]

This, IMO, is why GWS will find it harder to get going than GC have

I don't disagree Stylo. However, I think there might be a difference when you are building a team from scratch and you have an opportunity to get bunch of young kids to bond together. In the case of GWS, everyone is from elsewhere, and this gives a chance for the team management (if they are smart) to build that as a bond. FWIW, I reckon GWS has been pretty successful in doing this to date. The proof is that lots of the GWS kids have resigned. Consequently we couldn't entice Dom Tyson away.

 

[17]

We'll never know. Perhaps he would have done well under Dimma.
Anyways it was a poor list management by Cameron. We basically gave him away for peanuts.

Agreed.
Key forwards dont grow on trees.
Really dumb trade.
Bin him for nought in return just as he is about to mature.

 

[agincourt]

Agreed.
Key forwards dont grow on trees.
Really dumb trade.
Bin him for nought in return just as he is about to mature.

On his form at the time we would have got two thirds of stuff all for him anyway.
Every one is a genius with the benefit of hindsight....

 

[percyms]

He was another that was a true forward and the clowns tried turning him into a defender.
Only Richmond

Doing it with Elton, Grifo, Astbury......... McGuane was recruited as a fwd and I belive Rance was too. What about Holland as well. Sad history of this with the Tigers i am afraid..