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Jay Schulz [Merged]
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agincourt said:
Hindsight not required, and I was strongly against the trade at the time.
1/. Shultz was certainly a late maturer, but undeniably had talent - could certainly take a strong mark, and was a good kick.
2/. Richo was on his last legs. Shultz was the very obvious replacement.
3/. Why the club would even contemplate trading a key forward who was about to enter his prime is staggering - and for a fat back flanker who was delisted 2 years later.
Hardwick tried his best to unwind this disaster of a trade in his first week at the club but couldn't.
Craig Cameron will wear this one as the worst of many dumb trades on his watch as LM (Farmer, Thompson, Hislop).
Bill James said:
Got an update for us Bill? :blah
Great post btw 17. Especially the part about Richo retiring.
17 said:
Not staggering at all. Schulz was a perennial underperformer at the Tigers after 7 years. In the end the trade didn't work out but if you think Schulz would be performing at the Tigers now like he is at Port then I think you're kidding yourself. It was definitely a situation that required a move for him to get his career back on track. Even then if you look at his career since leaving Richmond his first couple of seasons weren't great and he's missed quite a few games through injury. He's now 28 and probably having his best season. And good on him. It wouldn't have happened at Richmond.
GoodOne said:
And yet, two players of similar vintage, Daniel Jackson and Matt White, are still at Richmond and are also in career-best form.
Maybe the lesson here is that many players are recruited when they are too young? Many of these players are then discarded after a few years BEFORE they have had a chance to play in the AFL as mature men, rather than as callow teenagers.
You will always get players like Trent Cotchin, Jaeger O’Meara and Chris Judd who are ready for the big-time, both mentally and physically at a young age. The rest are either never going to be good enough or start to come good around 22-23, and play consistent footy for about five years.
Why do teams recruit six 18 year-olds each year and discard half of them before they turn 22? It makes no sense to me. Bringing a player like Schulz to your club at 24 is a very smart move.
FACT - Terry Wallace was on radio only 2 weeks ago and stated that when he got to the club, Jay Schulz had put in a request to leave and be traded. Schulz was contracted and Wallace didnt want him to go.
In essence, Schulz was never really happy at the club and he was happy to leave at the drop of a hat.
No point speculating or thinking in hindsight. He'd made his decision to leave much much earlier.
In essence, Schulz was never really happy at the club and he was happy to leave at the drop of a hat.
No point speculating or thinking in hindsight. He'd made his decision to leave much much earlier.
Pappy said:
And he went on to cost us a 16-year major sponsor before playing a game under Wallace.
What's done is done. Schulz was given plenty of chances at Richmond.
Ruby said:
bingo!
After Jay was busted for a driving offence he was crucified by all - especially Richmond players, officials and fans, plus the media - for causing the club to lose the TAC sponsorship.
Miller even went so far as to say that he only kept Jay on the list because his parents "begged" him. Nice way to think about your career and family.
He was also butchered by Richo charging over the top of Jay and demanding every entry went to him. Supported by the coaches and fans.
"but then again what can be done about a player who just doesn't want to be at the club?"
Plenty can be done.
First and foremost, a new coach coming in can tell the player that he is very much wanted, and will be played every week in one position.
Hardwick did this with Houli, and ShEd, to great success. That's just two we publicly know of in his time at Richmond.
Elsewhere, you may recall Ryan O'Keefe wanted out of Sydney and tried to arrange a trade to Hawthorn.
Because Pelchen tries to screw every club, unsurprisingly a trade couldn't be agreed, so O'Keefe stayed and went on to another premiership last year and is once again a very happy Swan.
More recently, supposedly WCE's Brown was a certainty to be off to StK last year, and then end of this year. Just signed a 3 year deal with WCE.
So don't worry, plenty can be done to change a players mind.
Given Richmond would have had (i) a new coach who wanted Shultz at Richmond and came in with a clean slate, and (ii) Shultz would have been the key forward with Richo out of his way, I think this would have been ideal circumstances to turn Shultzy around for the better.
But our "brains trust" just couldn't see the upside.
Funnily enough, Blair Hartley (then at Port) obviously could.
RedanTiger said:
Plenty can be done.
First and foremost, a new coach coming in can tell the player that he is very much wanted, and will be played every week in one position.
Hardwick did this with Houli, and ShEd, to great success. That's just two we publicly know of in his time at Richmond.
Elsewhere, you may recall Ryan O'Keefe wanted out of Sydney and tried to arrange a trade to Hawthorn.
Because Pelchen tries to screw every club, unsurprisingly a trade couldn't be agreed, so O'Keefe stayed and went on to another premiership last year and is once again a very happy Swan.
More recently, supposedly WCE's Brown was a certainty to be off to StK last year, and then end of this year. Just signed a 3 year deal with WCE.
So don't worry, plenty can be done to change a players mind.
Given Richmond would have had (i) a new coach who wanted Shultz at Richmond and came in with a clean slate, and (ii) Shultz would have been the key forward with Richo out of his way, I think this would have been ideal circumstances to turn Shultzy around for the better.
But our "brains trust" just couldn't see the upside.
Funnily enough, Blair Hartley (then at Port) obviously could.
