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Jay Schulz [Merged]
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Cheers MB - would love to catch up with you and bro mate.
mb64 said:Happy to do that,maybe we can catch up at one of the games.You might get 2 sentences out of me.Tubytiger said:mb64 said:
I take that back MB - and yes you are usually short and sharp. How id love to just bloody have a chat with you with a few beers in ya mate. Could i get more than a sentence out of you buddy....Good stuff.
Cheers MB - would love to catch up with you and bro mate.
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Couldn't agree more Jack and Lazy One. Schulz has the perfect footy brain for being a competent backman (and I should know ;D) He lacks vision, creativity and seems to have trouble with spacial awareness. However, he will only get better by being played to the ball by better, smarter forwards from other clubs. Being exposed a few times down back, in a season already shot, will be good for Jay IMHO. While he has many of the skills to be a good fwd - he just can't drive em consistently enough (doesn't even seem to know how
). This is a bit like a young Lucas at Essendon, a good spell at CHB will do him wonders. Polak can become our swingman.
The idea of getting rid of Schulz is just as crazy as expecting MB to write War and Peace!
Jay may be put up as a possible trade at season's end if the right deal comes along, be he'll still get plenty of extra opportunities after some repeated dropping to Coburg. I would expect him here in 2008 as he is still WIP.
Leysy Days said:Tubytiger said:Dyer'ere said:
Maybe if you take those dicky sunnies off you might realise what he has to offer this team. But honestly, to tell you the truth Dyer'ere, I'm over saying the same thing for the last 2 and a half years. Lets just cut him loose mate, he is not a CHB bootlace. I'd rather see him play in his rightful position with another team then be continually jerked around by the RFC like he has.
Oh, and lets just keep Richo up forward for the next ten years.....its done a mighty treat in the last 15 years mate... :
Leysy reckons Jacks got this one right TT. Just cos you might think he aint a CHB's A-hole dont mean your right........
Schulz NEEDS to play in defence, he gets lazy, & you can get away with it in attack with out being made look stupid.
Do it in defence & the heats fair'n'square on you. He kicks well, has a good leap & pace is OK.
It will help his reading of the play, his work ethic, make him play below his knees & learn that 2nd efforts are crucial.
Thats gotta be a good learning curve.
The seasons shot, we gotta use it to develop & round out our players.
Couldn't agree more Jack and Lazy One. Schulz has the perfect footy brain for being a competent backman (and I should know ;D) He lacks vision, creativity and seems to have trouble with spacial awareness. However, he will only get better by being played to the ball by better, smarter forwards from other clubs. Being exposed a few times down back, in a season already shot, will be good for Jay IMHO. While he has many of the skills to be a good fwd - he just can't drive em consistently enough (doesn't even seem to know how
). This is a bit like a young Lucas at Essendon, a good spell at CHB will do him wonders. Polak can become our swingman.The idea of getting rid of Schulz is just as crazy as expecting MB to write War and Peace!
Jay may be put up as a possible trade at season's end if the right deal comes along, be he'll still get plenty of extra opportunities after some repeated dropping to Coburg. I would expect him here in 2008 as he is still WIP.
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While I think him kicking 70 is laughable and some powerful flower sniffing, I do think that he is the fall guy for most of our forward problems. When Wallace looks to change it up, *smile* is the one who is shuffled around. He has struggled mightily the last couple of weeks and maybe with Richo out he could bob up with five or six. All iknow is I would rather have *smile* the key target as opposed to Kingsley. Kingsley goes much better as a second fiddle, he has never thrived as being the number one forward and this what we need tomorrow night.
jb03 said:
While I think him kicking 70 is laughable and some powerful flower sniffing, I do think that he is the fall guy for most of our forward problems. When Wallace looks to change it up, *smile* is the one who is shuffled around. He has struggled mightily the last couple of weeks and maybe with Richo out he could bob up with five or six. All iknow is I would rather have *smile* the key target as opposed to Kingsley. Kingsley goes much better as a second fiddle, he has never thrived as being the number one forward and this what we need tomorrow night.
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I would have given them both a game too or at least brought in Hughes.
We look very light on up forward in Richo's(?) absence..
Be interesting to see what eventuates...
SCOOP said:
I would have given them both a game too or at least brought in Hughes.
We look very light on up forward in Richo's(?) absence..
Be interesting to see what eventuates...
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OK, maybe 70 was a little optimistic, but he'd kicked 27 in the 15 games up to his injury in the Geelong game with ordinary delivery, pretty limited TOG as mentioned and even being playing in the back line in some of those. Not to mention half the team ignore him whenever Richo is there and he's only now reaching the age where most guys his size start to hit their straps. I don't think it's that big a stretch to imagine he could do alot better in a team with a good midfield. I just think he's the type that would feast in a good side. Because of his accuracy he doesn't need many opportunities.
pharace said:
OK, maybe 70 was a little optimistic, but he'd kicked 27 in the 15 games up to his injury in the Geelong game with ordinary delivery, pretty limited TOG as mentioned and even being playing in the back line in some of those. Not to mention half the team ignore him whenever Richo is there and he's only now reaching the age where most guys his size start to hit their straps. I don't think it's that big a stretch to imagine he could do alot better in a team with a good midfield. I just think he's the type that would feast in a good side. Because of his accuracy he doesn't need many opportunities.
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As much as I agree with the theory of playing him as a backman, I'd prefer to see Will and Polly continue in their development as our key backs. Trying to develop a player at the expense of others' development, seems a little off key to me. Unless, you want to turn him into a long term Scotty Turner type FB, leave Will to learn his craft down there.
He's gotta learn a few things to be a seriously good forward - but not at the expense of the overall team structure.
As much as I agree with the theory of playing him as a backman, I'd prefer to see Will and Polly continue in their development as our key backs. Trying to develop a player at the expense of others' development, seems a little off key to me. Unless, you want to turn him into a long term Scotty Turner type FB, leave Will to learn his craft down there.
He's gotta learn a few things to be a seriously good forward - but not at the expense of the overall team structure.
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Let's get a few things straight, Schulz is our second highest goal kicker this year after Richo. SECOND HIGHEST ON 11 GOALS!!!!
That is after a rare bad kicking day against WC,being injured most of the game against Geelong, and yes, having a shocker against Adelaide.
But's lets consider other second option forwards for other teams;
WC = Wirrpanda on 14
Port = Burgoyne & Rodan on 10
Adelaide = Perrie & Bock on 10
Sydney = O'Loughlin on 14
Melbourne = Davey on 8
So as a second option up forward he isn't far off the mark. I reckon he needs confidence and support, not a kick up the arse.
Let's get a few things straight, Schulz is our second highest goal kicker this year after Richo. SECOND HIGHEST ON 11 GOALS!!!!
That is after a rare bad kicking day against WC,being injured most of the game against Geelong, and yes, having a shocker against Adelaide.
But's lets consider other second option forwards for other teams;
WC = Wirrpanda on 14
Port = Burgoyne & Rodan on 10
Adelaide = Perrie & Bock on 10
Sydney = O'Loughlin on 14
Melbourne = Davey on 8
So as a second option up forward he isn't far off the mark. I reckon he needs confidence and support, not a kick up the arse.
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He's kicked 11.11 actually which is well below his average to date.
Surprisingly his greatest strength has let him down.
linuscambridge said:
He's kicked 11.11 actually which is well below his average to date.
Surprisingly his greatest strength has let him down.
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Exactly, he needs to string a month of 3,4,5,2 goal games.
But it cannot be easy kicking goals in the worst side in the comp.
If he kicks half as good as other years he has another 5 or 6 goals to his name and we are not even having this discussion.
evo said:
Exactly, he needs to string a month of 3,4,5,2 goal games.
But it cannot be easy kicking goals in the worst side in the comp.
If he kicks half as good as other years he has another 5 or 6 goals to his name and we are not even having this discussion.
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Early in the year he looked on the verge of getting a bag and was the perfect second fiddle.
Look at his month when he has tapered off a bit
The WCE game he kicked 0.4 and missed four gettable shots. Took some strong grabs.
The Geelong game he was barely out there( got a corky?) but neither were 21 other blokes
The Port Game he got 2 in a ordinary team effort
The Crows he struggled last week in a match that no tall forward dominated in.
Even with average kicking we just need someone marking the thing and having a shot. With young players you want them getting the opportunities, getting to the right spots. Repetition is the mother of success.
Either way I think he is a better number one forward option then Kingsley. If Richo plays I see Kingsley going better with him in the sides then as the key target.
That is why I would have kept Jay.
Early in the year he looked on the verge of getting a bag and was the perfect second fiddle.
Look at his month when he has tapered off a bit
The WCE game he kicked 0.4 and missed four gettable shots. Took some strong grabs.
The Geelong game he was barely out there( got a corky?) but neither were 21 other blokes
The Port Game he got 2 in a ordinary team effort
The Crows he struggled last week in a match that no tall forward dominated in.
Even with average kicking we just need someone marking the thing and having a shot. With young players you want them getting the opportunities, getting to the right spots. Repetition is the mother of success.
Either way I think he is a better number one forward option then Kingsley. If Richo plays I see Kingsley going better with him in the sides then as the key target.
That is why I would have kept Jay.
