Jake Batchelor

[pahoffm]

Batchelor and Grimes will compete for that 3rd tall position.
Grimes usually gets injured, so Batchelor will be needed.

Comparison of stats are:
Ave Disps Ave Mks Ave Takls Ave RB50s 1%s
Batchelor 12 4 2 2 3
Grimes 11 4 2 1.5 5

So, there's not much between them.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Looks like he will be offered a new contract - still unsigned ATM.

Marketing. ;D

 

[Mr Brightside]

Batchelor and Grimes will compete for that 3rd tall position.
Grimes usually gets injured, so Batchelor will be needed.

Comparison of stats are:
Ave Disps Ave Mks Ave Takls Ave RB50s 1%s
Batchelor 12 4 2 2 3
Grimes 11 4 2 1.5 5

So, there's not much between them.

No use doin on previous years Phanto, Grimes had major injuries early an only this season he has had a good crack at it, Batchelor on the other hand played a lot of footy early on , then dropped off an only in the 2 nd half of this season did he make it back in the 22... Another factor is the quality of opponent Grimes often gets one of the top 2 forwards as Batchelor neally always gets the weakest forward....the biggest difference would be beaten in a one on one I'd reckon

 

[BT Tiger]

A friend of mine who worked at the club briefly said he had a careless attitude to his footy. Maybe he'll pull his finger out now that he's been in the system for 4 years.

 

[Harry]

limited. not enough intensity, pace, skill.

 

[bullus_hit]

limited. not enough intensity, pace, skill.

Pace is the killer, Grimes has terrific closing speed, it's why he'll always get a gig over Batch.

 

[Stylo]

He's a good footballer with plenty of good traits. Just really, really needs to work on his fitness and rebounding game. If he can take that to the next level I think he'll progress naturally and can feasibly become a solid B-grader, if not better. Should model his game on Malceski IMO. Would've been good to land him as a mentor if nothing else.

limited. not enough intensity, pace, skill.

Definitely has enough intensity when he can get to the contest and enough skill with ball in hand. The common denominator there is fitness. If he's able to improve on that, the rest of his game will go up a level IMO

 

[Tigers of Old]

Asked the question of RFCO if Batchelor had re-signed yet and got nothing back as expected which suggests he hasn't.
My sense is he is firmly on the trade table and we're hoping to move him for something we want in another area but if we can't he'll stay for another year.
Batchelor played some ok footy for us late in the season but as I have said for ages I just don't see it with him.
Def can't carry him, Morris and Grimes in defence. We get nothing offensively.

 

[Tigerfan]

Asked the question of RFCO if Batchelor had re-signed yet and got nothing back as expected which suggests he hasn't.
My sense is he is firmly on the trade table and we're hoping to move him for something we want in another area but if we can't he'll stay for another year.
Batchelor played some ok footy for us late in the season but as I have said for ages I just don't see it with him.
Def can't carry him, Morris and Grimes in defence. We get nothing offensively.

And this is the knock on our recruiting!
Why not get it right the first time so we aren't shopping them
around later?

 

[TigerMasochist]

Def can't carry him, Morris and Grimes in defence. We get nothing offensively.

Not sure I'd lock the Grub into that category just yet ToOheys.
Agree he started ultra defensively, just a kid following basic coaching instructions a little to closely. Obviously the Grub has had a shocking injury run over the last few years which curtails his development and running fitness. Just think that as he's settled in over this year n got some trust in his body he's played a lot more freely n moved through the lines, even managed a nice sausage this year.
Just got a quiet hunch with no injury issues on his hammies he'll open up into a pretty decent floating third tall who will create n set up rebound off half back.
There's plenty bag him, but think Nick Maxwell type off the backline setting up the rebound Colonwood used to have.

 

[pahoffm]

No use doin on previous years Phanto, Grimes had major injuries early an only this season he has had a good crack at it, Batchelor on the other hand played a lot of footy early on , then dropped off an only in the 2 nd half of this season did he make it back in the 22... Another factor is the quality of opponent Grimes often gets one of the top 2 forwards as Batchelor neally always gets the weakest forward....the biggest difference would be beaten in a one on one I'd reckon

Grimes has had his injuries, and Batchelor has had his injuries too.

Grimes has been on our list for 5 seasons for 45 games.
Batchelor has been on our list for 4 seasons for 52 games.
Grimes best season was 2014, whereas Batchelor's peak was 2012.

On Grimes often getting one of 2 top key forwards, sometimes, not all the time.
Batchelor has often had to play on 195+cm forwards or speedy flankers, so both have been challenged at times.

Considering we struggle for HBFs, we should be building our depth.
However, if Batchelor is to remain on the Tiger senior list, he needs to lift his intensity and become a dependable rebounding HBF.
Clearly he needs to get his fitness right, so as to improve.
If Batchelor is being shopped around, my guess is that the RFC footy dept perceives that other clubs give him some tradable value.

 

[Mr Brightside]

On Grimes Phanto it's not Just key forwards its best forwards , Grimes picks up all types, I don't mind Batchelor , thou I don't think his quite good enough, he gets murdered in the air when on bigger opponents an mid or small pact types blow him away...Rance an Astbury are for the key forwards, Chaplin zones off , Grimes picks up whatever type of pace dangerous forward, Morris gets the small generally...which means Batchelors role should be a silky skilled pact run an carry defender that runs of there weakest forward, major hole for us IMHO , we desperately need skilled pace coming out of the back half, not just for defence, but also so our skilled mids don't have to work back as hard as the do to help get the ball delivered our of the defensive 50.... In summary Batch should be traded for whatever we can get an if Grimes can maintain his fitness will be more then handy at playing the shut down role back there

 

[taztiger4]

On Grimes Phanto it's not Just key forwards its best forwards , Grimes picks up all types, I don't mind Batchelor , thou I don't think his quite good enough, he gets murdered in the air when on bigger opponents an mid or small pact types blow him away...Rance an Astbury are for the key forwards, Chaplin zones off , Grimes picks up whatever type of pace dangerous forward, Morris gets the small generally...which means Batchelors role should be a silky skilled pact run an carry defender that runs of there weakest forward, major hole for us IMHO , we desperately need skilled pace coming out of the back half, not just for defence, but also so our skilled mids don't have to work back as hard as the do to help get the ball delivered our of the defensive 50.... In summary Batch should be traded for whatever we can get an if Grimes can maintain his fitness will be more then handy at playing the shut down role back there

Malcelski was the man

 

[Mr Brightside]

Malcelski was the man

His type would have been perfect hey Taz, long low bullets comin of half back...thou 3 knee recos an 500 k a year I reckon I'd have left the half volley outside off stump go thru to the keeper

 

[Sintiger]

His type would have been perfect hey Taz, long low bullets comin of half back...thou 3 knee recos an 500 k a year I reckon I'd have left the half volley outside off stump go thru to the keeper

100% agree.

Do our supporters really want us matching that contract.

I would be appalled if we did !!

 

[Rancey18]

We badly need an attacking half back flanker with pace and good skills coming out of our backline. Batchelor needs to provide more run then he currently is and get more of the pill, at the moment our back 6 provide nowhere near enough run.

 

[taztiger4]

His type would have been perfect hey Taz, long low bullets comin of half back...thou 3 knee recos an 500 k a year I reckon I'd have left the half volley outside off stump go thru to the keeper

geezus 500k ! didn't realise that was what GCS offered

 

[Mr Brightside]

geezus 500k ! didn't realise that was what GCS offered

Yep 3 years at 500k a year is what the media are reporting

 

[pahoffm]

We badly need an attacking half back flanker with pace and good skills coming out of our backline. Batchelor needs to provide more run then he currently is and get more of the pill, at the moment our back 6 provide nowhere near enough run.

To me, there appear to be three alternatives for our HBFs for the short term.

Either we recruit rebounding HBFs,
Reposition Vlastuin & Ellis to HBFs and hope they develop quickly, or
We recruit more genuine goal-kicking midfielders and drop the likes of Deledio & Cotchin back to HBFs.

We can pick up junior rebounding HBFs, but they do take a number of years to develop properly.
Unless I've forgotten someone, Merv Keane stands out as the last 18yo RFC HBF who was able to hold his own against top opposition in finals.

 

[St Kevin]

To me, there appear to be three alternatives for our HBFs for the short term.

Either we recruit rebounding HBFs,
Reposition Vlastuin & Ellis to HBFs and hope they develop quickly, or
We recruit more genuine goal-kicking midfielders and drop the likes of Deledio & Cotchin back to HBFs.

We can pick up junior rebounding HBFs, but they do take a number of years to develop properly.
Unless I've forgotten someone, Merv Keane stands out as the last 18yo RFC HBF who was able to hold his own against top opposition in finals.

I think we need Vlastuin/Grimes to provide more in this regard. With Astbury back, I'd expect Rance to play a more attacking role too.

Just don't see it with Batch. Doesn't do enough things well imo, doesn't use that weapon of a kick enough. Strictly for depth next season.