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Jake Batchelor

rosy23 said:
Do you think that was an ideal match up for Jake? Of all the players who were well beaten he's one I wouldn't blame for our loss.
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Waite was their only dangerous forward in the 1st half. Keep him quiet and we are 6 goals up at halftime and our confidence sky high. Sure he was the wrong match-up but it was wrong because he is a very limited player. West Coast has battled with a short backline all year and Hurn would smash Waite due to his athleticism and run both of which Batch lacks along with smarts and ability
 
spook said:
It's an indictment on 195cm Troy Chaplin that 188cm Jake Batchelor had to play second tall on The Dog. If Junkyard Jake were 195 he'da leashed him. He's too small for how big he is.


Wait. Too big for how small he is. (One of those.)
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Part of the problem there was that Norf had 3 big guys who can all take marks and kick goals (Petrie, Brown and Waite). Chaplin had to look after Clownhair and kept him fairly quiet, same with Rance and Petrie. That left Batch to take Waite. Hardwick got his matchups wrong again. Jake gave it everything, but just didn't have what it took. Rance even spoke about it after the Rd 23 match and how if they all clunked their marks we were in trouble. May have been an idea to swap Grimes and Batch. Grimes is 193, not that much smaller than Waite and he's a hell of lot smarter as a player than Batch. Grimes may have led Waite a merry old dance and he'd have been buggered by half time.
 
We needed Rance to go to Waite. But we couldn't, because Chaplin wouldn't have handled Petrie. Brown is insignificant overhead in a pack, that's why Chappy does ok on him - he can just give up those outside 50 leads. Big deal, Batch coulda done that.
 
spook said:
We needed Rance to go to Waite. But we couldn't, because Chaplin wouldn't have handled Petrie. Brown is insignificant overhead in a pack, that's why Chappy does ok on him - he can just give up those outside 50 leads. Big deal, Batch coulda done that.
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So can we work out what the problem is?
 
CarnTheTiges said:
Part of the problem there was that Norf had 3 big guys who can all take marks and kick goals (Petrie, Brown and Waite). Chaplin had to look after Clownhair and kept him fairly quiet, same with Rance and Petrie. That left Batch to take Waite. Hardwick got his matchups wrong again. Jake gave it everything, but just didn't have what it took. Rance even spoke about it after the Rd 23 match and how if they all clunked their marks we were in trouble. May have been an idea to swap Grimes and Batch. Grimes is 193, not that much smaller than Waite and he's a hell of lot smarter as a player than Batch. Grimes may have led Waite a merry old dance and he'd have been buggered by half time.
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Dimma loves playing bachelor of massive forwards

It's poor coaching and highlights what a plodder squib Chappy is
 
thought with Griggiths doing 3 parts of SFA he could have been sent to Petrie allowing Rance to take Waite and Batch going forward
 
Don't blame Batch, the weakness link yesterday was Chaplin.
He was slow, disorganised and struggled to get any near a North forward.
 
When I think of our list, I usually think of Batchelor as being right at the bottom...maybe near Hunt....having said that though, he has improved and played his role well this year....But if we can, we need to upgrade him....
 
spook said:
It's an indictment on 195cm Troy Chaplin that 188cm Jake Batchelor had to play second tall on The Dog. If Junkyard Jake were 195 he'da leashed him. He's too small for how big he is.


Wait. Too big for how small he is. (One of those.)
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copy that, we certainly need a flexible 195cm+ key back Scooper. Elton would've done well if he was just told to spoil. Jakey didn't exactly do much else.
 
My view:
Match-ups were correct for Rance [Petrie - their key, lead-up forward] and Chaplin [Brown - as already explained why here by spook].
Then needed to play Grimes on Waite because he almost matches him for size, is very fast and agile, probably best spoiler and recovers brilliantly once it hits the ground. Waite is easily their most athletic tall forward. Batchelor had to take Higgins or resting mid, while Houli and Vlaustain took Nahas and other small forwards. Here is the problem as I see it. Dimma likes fixed ideas, same old, same old. Yes, it can be good to have a stable, regular back six. Or, can look at it another way, and have a wider range of flexible options to match-up according to the opposition. I have posted here a few times about the failure to get more games into Elton to develop another big (197 cm) backmen. Once Astbury returned to fitness and form in the VFL (took many marks and had decent possessions in some late games), same for him. If he proves really too slow etc. then we must make a decision on him. Same for Dea.
The contrast is Beveridge who gave games to nearly 40 players from bulldogs list. He treats them as an AFL squad, not bracketed as 1s and 2s who will only get a go if there are injuries. The advantages are obvious: flexible options - a more diverse, confident, experienced squad so you can choose best match-ups according to opp and conditions. We were clearly bothered by an outsized norf FL but, as usual, were just so predictable, fixed and rigid in planning. But, even then, on game day, Dimma still put Batch back on Waite. As others have said, could have also moved Griffiths down back on Petrie, freeing Rance for Waite. I am constantly frustrated by our strategic thinking or lack of. Every opp will go to the weakest link in the defence.
 
spook said:
It's an indictment on 195cm Troy Chaplin that 188cm Jake Batchelor had to play second tall on The Dog. If Junkyard Jake were 195 he'da leashed him. He's too small for how big he is.


Wait. Too big for how small he is. (One of those.)
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Exactly.
 
Barnzy said:
I reckon he was protected by the rest of the back 7 for a lot of the year and his flaws were hidden. They came to the surface yesterday with a horrible match up in a final. It's the same argument with Batch - play him on a KPF and he's too small. Try to put him on a smaller opponent, generally he's too slow and he doesn't offer enough rebound. He should be depth in 2016.
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I lean this way also. Improved throughout the season, but still a 'tweener.
 
Batch wasn't the problem.. Ball moved way to easily to Waite and Batch wore him like a glove and he still marked it..

Chaplin was the biggest banana on the day... When he got tackled he still by Nahas he still tried to blame someone else.

B2
 
B1 and B2 said:
Batch wasn't the problem.. Ball moved way to easily to Waite and Batch wore him like a glove and he still marked it..

Chaplin was the biggest banana on the day... When he got tackled he still by Nahas he still tried to blame someone else.

B2
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You are right that the ball moved too easily into our D50 but I didn't see him wearing Waite like a glove most of the time (unless the glove was one of those big novelty hands!!).

Batch's problem wasn't marking over his head, he did ok against Waite in that aspect but from memory most of Waites goals came from leading marks taken out in front and Waite had the pace to burn Batch and the marks were generally taken uncontested.
 
batchelor is simply too small and too slow for a key back. even for a third tall. it says a lot about our head coach who persists with him in that role.

agree with the above comment - we should have got games into Elton or Astbury during the year.
 
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