Free agency

[collector]

What has this got to do with Free Agency???

Fair point, but why single me out, rather than the 2-3 people who actually made the comments I started responding to?


I note, not yet one person has put their hand up to back their claim of "We don't want to end up like the NRL" with an actual reason. Bar Azza's "The club system is stronger" rubbish.

Impossible to debate something when people are to cowardly to post their reasons behind their statements...

 

[Azza]

It's not a valid contribution to the debate, just a snipe at the poster. State your view on the topic or don't participate.

 

[collector]

^ Were you about to highlight your snipe at me about not knowing Sydney as well as you?



You played the man, not the other way around.

 

[Willo]

Fair point, but why single me out, rather than the 2-3 people who actually made the comments I started responding to?


I note, not yet one person has put their hand up to back their claim of "We don't want to end up like the NRL" with an actual reason. Bar Azza's "The club system is stronger" rubbish.


(Hint for you Azza - When they started killing clubs off, they damn near killed the game. It's taken nearly 15 years for the game to recover from what News did)

Please stop the AFL vs NRL bashing or go to another thread.

I wasn't singling anyone out. I made a request to all. You replied "it was a legit line of argument". I was merely pointing out this thread was about Free Agency, not all the rest of the afl v nrl stuff.
Just wanted the thread to stay on topic.
Once agin I'd like to ask everyone to stay on topic. Not bash rival codes(there are other places to handle that ;D )

 

[collector]

Fair point Willo. In fairness, Azza and my argument did descend on from the original point of his claim the draft system has stood the test of time due to the strength of the club system in the AFL. Rather than my point that no one has walked into the High Court (Even though many of us believe Judd/Visy threatened too) - From there, that is how the thread descended.


I'm still waiting for someone to define exactly what is wrong with the NRL's system of complete, unrestricted free agency. Every poster who states it goes missing when challenged for an explanation.

 

[Azza]

^ Were you about to highlight your snipe at me about not knowing Sydney as well as you?



You played the man, not the other way around.

Nah, I just quoted you in reflection of your own abuse. Repeated posting and ranting doesn't change the fact that you really have nothing concrete backing your views, it just makes you tiresome. Are you really 29?

 

[Baloo]

I'm still waiting for someone to define exactly what is wrong with the NRL's system of complete, unrestricted free agency. Every poster who states it goes missing when challenged for an explanation.

While I didn't make the claim, what I personally don't like about the NRL system is players of one club signing up with another club, publicly, before the season has come to an end. It's got to be hard for supportters to watch someone in our colours knowing they are off somewhere else next year. Imagine Lids announcing he's off to Carlton next year. It would be very difficult to enjoy watching him play in the Yellow & Black.

I have no issue with free agency as long as the salary cap is rigorously enforced and Visy type deals are removed from the equation. But in saying that I'd much prefer the horse trading to start at season's end, though even then there will be many whispers throughout the season, much like the Cotch whisper now.

 

[collector]

Nah, I just quoted you in reflection of your own abuse. Repeated posting and ranting doesn't change the fact that you really have nothing concrete backing your views, it just makes you tiresome. Are you really 29?

What personal abuse would that be?

Go on, highlight it.

 

[collector]

While I didn't make the claim, what I personally don't like about the NRL system is players of one club signing up with another club, publicly, before the season has come to an end. It's got to be hard for supportters to watch someone in our colours knowing they are off somewhere else next year. Imagine Lids announcing he's off to Carlton next year. It would be very difficult to enjoy watching him play in the Yellow & Black

Mate, I very much suspect this is what they are alluding to. I just didn't want to comment in case they were talking about another reason.


At the end of the day, it is a professional sport, with professional athletes being paid for their services provided to the club they are signed to at the time.


As long as the player is giving their all for the club in the season at hand, it's largely irrelevant what they do the following season.


Say Lids does sign on elsewhere, for the 2013 season... if he has 45 touches, kicks 6 goals and takes home the Norm Smith medal in the GF, playing a massive part in helping us win #11 in 2012, would you claim it was "hard to watch, because he was playing elsewhere the next season" ?


Should Israel be knocked for being the only Storm player to actually have a dig in the 2008 decider, even though he had long been signed with the Broncos?


Edit - & yeah, very much in agreeance that Visy type deals must be stringently monited, if not eradicated. Though interestingly, with the club being able to match any offers made to top 10 players, my guess is they would only need to match anything included in the TPP. So players walking out for Judd like money, outside the cap may be harder to put in place than people think.

 

[Azza]

What personal abuse would that be?

Go on, highlight it.

Didn't say "personal" you boring little man.

 

[Baloo]

Yeah, I'd still find it hard to swallow that Lids was deserting us even if he won the grannie off his own back.

While it is a professional sport and these guys are professionals, we, the mug punters who pay our membership year after year (except B1), who bleed for the club, for who it's part of our soul, we would find it very hard to see the move without the emotion attached. And it's that emotion that keeps the club alive during 30years of the doldrums.

 

[collector]

Didn't say "personal" you boring little man.

LMAO You seriously have nothing.


You have been owned in the debate, by FACTS, particularly on the membership and crowd issues, and have resorted to playing the man.


Leave the thread unless you have something valid to contribute.

 

[collector]

Yeah, I'd still find it hard to swallow that Lids was deserting us even if he won the grannie off his own back.

While it is a professional sport and these guys are professionals, we, the mug punters who pay our membership year after year (except B1), who bleed for the club, for who it's part of our soul, we would find it very hard to see the move without the emotion attached. And it's that emotion that keeps the club alive during 30years of the doldrums.

Problem is, we need to be realistic. It is no longer a "game". It is a professional business, with everyone involved at all levels (those employed, not the fans), there to make money.


I understand where you are coming from though.

 

[Baloo]

Problem is, we need to be realistic. It is no longer a "game". It is a professional sport

If the members took that attitude the RFC wouldn't exist as a Melbourne based club today.

 

[collector]

If the members took that attitude the RFC wouldn't exist as a Melbourne based club today.

Maybe.

By the same token, if the Richmond FC doesn't embrace professionalism completely (Which I am yet to be convinced it has) - Will we survive another 25? that includes cutting players ruthlessly if not up to scratch, letting some leave for more money etc

That's one of the reasons why Benny's statements about FA really pleased me. I actually do have a lot of confidence he is going to keep us on the right track (Damien being the first cog in that journey)

 

[Azza]

LMAO You seriously have nothing.


You have been owned in the debate, by FACTS, particularly on the membership and crowd issues, and have resorted to playing the man.


Leave the thread unless you have something valid to contribute.

LMAO


Well I was going to, but I thought I'd hang around and wait for the FACTS so I can be owned some more.


Remind me of the FACTS again?

 

[collector]

It'll get moved to another thread but anyway. (In my defence Willo, I'm actually new and don't know where to post it)


Simple question. The Sydney Swans outdraw the Parramatta Eels.


Are the Swans a more popular club in Sydney than Parramatta?


Your claim that crowds are indicative of popularity, would surely lead you to agree this is the case, yes?

 

[Azza]

It'll get moved to another thread but anyway.


Simple question. The Sydney Swans outdraw the Parramatta Eels.


Are the Swans a more popular club in Sydney than Parramatta?


Your claim that crowds are indicative of popularity, would surely lead you to agree this is the case, yes?

Nope. You're comparing a single town team with a team that has to share crowds with 8 others.

Any other facts?

 

[collector]

Nope. You're comparing a single town team with a team that has to share crowds with 8 others.

Any other facts?

You answered no. So that means you believe that the Swans, who draw more people through the gate than the Eels, are not more popular than the Eels?

I didn't mention the other clubs. I asked you are the Swans more popular than Parramatta. Simple question.


It's abundantly clear where I am heading with this, so you have two choices. You can either:

#a - Lie
#b - Back away from your claim of crowd attendance figures being proof of popularity in comparison to others.

 

[Azza]

Actually I miss-read your question.

In part answer, it would depend to some extent on how many of the crowd are supporters of other AFL clubs, or even not supporters of any clubs but just going for the event.

Now, I'm still waiting for your facts.