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Free agency

Well Jeff Kennet might be against free agency, but it looks like the majority of other clubs aren't. Naked self interest in terms of keeping Buddy and the boys together? Fair enough too, I'd be in the same boat. Or maybe the Hawks have something to hide.

As I have said before, free agency will not be the big bugbear some people think it will be if, and it is a qualifying if, the AFL can get off their backsides and really enforce the salary cap. Maybe this is where Hawthorn come unstuck. Where there is smoke there is fire Jeff?
 
Streak said:
Well Jeff Kennet might be against free agency, but it looks like the majority of other clubs aren't. Naked self interest in terms of keeping Buddy and the boys together? Fair enough too, I'd be in the same boat. Or maybe the Hawks have something to hide.

As I have said before, free agency will not be the big bugbear some people think it will be if, and it is a qualifying if, the AFL can get off their backsides and really enforce the salary cap. Maybe this is where Hawthorn come unstuck. Where there is smoke there is fire Jeff?

I see Jeff's opposition quite differently. Most of the football industry is made up of former players - right down to the CEO and chairman of the AFL. They have a natural support of free agency. Most club presidents are businessmen first and foremost whose initial involvement at their clubs, at coterie level or even club function level, would have been as much about networking as it was about a passionate support of their club. Their involvement then grew from there. I see Jeff as different. He didn't need the presidency of Hawthorn to improve his business position. He had a stint in Spring St to do that for him. He's just a passionate supporter of his club, alot like we are, and his opposition to free agency is from a similar fear of many regular supporters that it will stuff up the game we love so much.
 
Azza said:
Did the AFL/VFL club culture drive development of the membership systems or vice versa?

You're the one who has to explain the attendance and membership differences because they're contrary to your argument (and my experience). So far, I find you far from convincing. 25 years of membership pushing! What nonsense. I used to visit a friend in Melbourne in the 70's and was amazed by the attitude to footy back then. The culture was so alien it was like going to the moon.

& what were the clubs membership numbers like back in the 70's? In comparison to now?

Azza said:
There've been financially strapped league clubs forever - if there were so many passionate members as you say why didn't they adopt the VFL memberships systems long ago?

Because the game is very poorly managed? Then & now.

Azza said:
Honestly, your arguments just seem twisted to me. You really can't get away from the fact that TAKEN TOGETHER the membership and crowd figures support the AFL having a stronger club culture.

& you are talking *smile*. Plain and simple as that.

Did 200k march to save Sth Melbourne or Fitzroy? Did 200k turn up to Footscray or Richmond's life or death rallies?


Azza said:
O for godsakes, it was a throw-away line. But if you really want to go down that path, yes I reckon growing up and spending all my primary school, secondary school, and university years in Sydney gives me a better handle on the place.

Well I'm pleased for you that you have that opinion. It's crap, but great nonetheless.


As for twisting arguments, the main person I have been arguing with on this thread dropped Deledio's name. Now after having read what the AFL plan to do, any claim that Deledio will freely walk in 2012 is utter crap given Richmond essentially have last right of refusal...
 
MB78 said:
RL has the larger fan base? So the fact that our game has more crowds, more sponsorship, more revenue per club and more importantly player participation levels by Australians counts for nothing?


hehe

I played soccer mostly at school, but did play 1 game of Aussie Rules to help them into the semis ... I would have been counted these days under the "player participation" counting.


Once again, people need to do their own investigation of what gets reported in the media before parroting the BS propaganda that is sprouted.

Once again * 2 - Crowd attendances mean absoloutely jack *smile* in terms of a games popularity whether Victorian's like it or not.

Sponsorship/Revenue - The game has a much greater FTA & media presence than RL, so yes, the game brings in more money. Quite simple really. RL has to compete for air time in Sydney media, unlike the VFL which is given a cushy free ride throughoutn the Melbourne media, who take any chance they can to put down opposing sports - Look at how Vlad used a compliant Herald Scum to wage war on the World Cup bid, even though the paper knew damn well the MCG reconfiguration proposal had been scrapped many months before they printed.
 
Tiger74 said:
my fav so far is this:

so apparently I don't attend matches because I like the sport, but because I've been "encouraged" to
"
I'm no fan of Demetriou, but even I don't think he's running press gangs to boost AFL attendences :hihi

Imagine my suprise that the statement went completely over your head ;)


You lot can make all the arguments you like about it being indicative of the games popularity, fact is, the Swans/Lions & the great crowds they pull prove my point.


The sport is unpopular in Sydney, to the point where many simply despise the game. 100-150k people watch the game on tv when televised live into Sydney on Saturday nights. Yet on average, around 25k turn up to their games. That is an outstanding attendance figure, given the tiny, niche market the AFL has been able to penetrate up there.


It also helps of course, that Aussie Rules is a *smile* of a game to watch on television, in comparison to the live experience where RL is equally as appealing on tv as it is live.
 
Total Tiger said:
I don't want our competition to become like the NRL.


& yet I still don't get this. You lot keep repeating this sh!t .... What exactly is wrong with the NRL?


Couldn't give a crapola whether you like the sport or not, I'm well aware most on here prefer to watch fumbles and dropsies than footballers with actual skill ... but what is actually wrong with their recruiting structure?
 
collector said:
& yet I still don't get this. You lot keep repeating this sh!t .... What exactly is wrong with the NRL?


Couldn't give a crapola whether you like the sport or not, I'm well aware most on here prefer to watch fumbles and dropsies than footballers with actual skill ... but what is actually wrong with their recruiting structure?
If your a true Aussie Rules follower you,d know why we think the NRL,s Recruiting Structure stinks. ::)
 
Free agency is a going to turn out to be no big deal.
Most players are happy with there club and wil stay.
It just means that a player who has a falling out with his club he will be able to get to his club of choice.
And how many big name players have left there club over the last few years that a club wantted to let go?
 
collector said:
Imagine my suprise that the statement went completely over your head ;)


You lot can make all the arguments you like about it being indicative of the games popularity, fact is, the Swans/Lions & the great crowds they pull prove my point.


The sport is unpopular in Sydney, to the point where many simply despise the game. 100-150k people watch the game on tv when televised live into Sydney on Saturday nights. Yet on average, around 25k turn up to their games. That is an outstanding attendance figure, given the tiny, niche market the AFL has been able to penetrate up there.


It also helps of course, that Aussie Rules is a *smile* of a game to watch on television, in comparison to the live experience where RL is equally as appealing on tv as it is live.

I actually thought you had been making some good points until you revealed your true colours with this little gem

Personally enjoy all sports at the elite level, have been to RL live and watched on TV and think it is a great game. The intensity and skill in SOO games is amazing, at last they broadcast it live here last year!

Your line about fumbles & dropsies and not having skill when referrring to AFL also shows an ignorance and bias. Every sport at the elite level has great skills.

Pity, you made some decent points until the end - if you dislike aussie rules so much I wonder why you purchased multiple memberships?
 
I don't dislike the game at all mate. Just find it an immense struggle to watch on tv, lest it be a Richmond game.


Due to the large dimmensions of the field, and the lack of an offside rule, the game is played at all times on several parts of the field at all times. Whereas a game like RL is essentially played where the ball is.


Watching on tv, you can't see the entire field, you can't see the build up of a play that a team is working on, the leading players in the forward line, the scragging going on for better positioning, all you generally see live is the player with ball in hand, you then see the rest on replay.


In comparison to the live experience, yes, Aussie Rules is a terrible tv game. It's not a knock on the sport as a whole it just doesn't suit television.


& yeah, I'll admit, the fumbles & dropsies comment was probably a tad to far, nothing annoys me more than insular Victorians who think the rest of the country think like they do. Aussie Rules has plenty of skills that RL could take advantage of the training to make their players better - For one, I always wonder when watching players kick the ball out 15-20 metres when given a penalty, why they don't get some of the Aussie Rules boys down to teach them how to pin point a 50 metre pass (Maybe not Richmond's boys of course :) ) which would give a huge field position advantage if they had someone who could kick like that.
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
If your a true Aussie Rules follower you,d know why we think the NRL,s Recruiting Structure stinks. ::)


hehe ... Yet another who won't answer the question but would rather snipe.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE NRL'S RECRUITING STRUCTURE.
 
collector said:
hehe ... Yet another who won't answer the question but would rather snipe.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE NRL'S RECRUITING STRUCTURE.
Where,s the snipe?Like i said if you follow AFL,The answer is pretty simple.Even for you.
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Where,s the snipe?Like i said if you follow AFL,The answer is pretty simple.Even for you.

Well what is so hard about actually stating what is wrong with the system, rather than arrogantly posting "Oh but a real Aussie Rules fan would know"


It's not a valid contribution to the debate, just a snipe at the poster. State your view on the topic or don't participate.
 
Please stop the AFL vs NRL bashing or go to another thread.

One question I'd like answered...
When a club approaches and makes an offer to a topline player, does the afl peruse that clubs TPP and "authorise" whether the financial offer is achievable?
Where it states that a player out of contract (topline player) and another club can make an offer, if his "current" club matches that offer, he stays.
Who governs whether these financials are fair dinkum. It seems that there will be an inflationary aspect. It probably happens now, but there need to be more transparency and tightening up on "visy" deals.
 
collector - if you can't figure out AFL is more popular in Australia as a whole you are in denial pure and simple! Apart from crowds, how about TV ratings? NRL's overrall figures compare 22 AFL rounds to however many NRL rounds to try to push them up higher. AFL rates better. The AFL grand final rated higher despite the fact that it was two melbourne teams versus a Sydney-Melbourne NRL grand final. Look at the rating for grand finals involving swans to get a truer comparison.

Apart from all those figures just look at money in the game and media penetration. AFL miles ahead. No, not due to your conspiracy theories about Demetriou controlling melbourne media, but due to the game's popularity. Sometimes the simple explanation is the correct one. Money talks. The TV stations know AFL is more popular hence the bigger TV deal, the corporate sponsors know AFL is more popular, hence the massive disparity in sponsorship dollars especially with clubs.
 
Daigoro said:
No, not due to your conspiracy theories about Demetriou controlling melbourne media, but due to the game's popularity.

Really?

I suggest you take some time to read the C7 court case against the NRL, News Ltd etc, where the contract details were provided, showing the the AFL and the media are in fact complicit in how the game is portrayed in the media.

Stop parroting the media, and actually do your own investigation ;)


On the Grand Finals, I thought until something dodgy was done with the regionals, that the NRL decider actually outrated the AFL this year? Also, the AFL GF was not between two Melbourne teams.
 
willo said:
Please stop the AFL vs NRL bashing or go to another thread.

It's a legit line of argument, "We don't want to end up like the NRL" has been stated that many times in this thread, I am within my rights to question WHAT is wrong with the NRL's system.

I note after a day and a half of this, the best anyone has come up with is that the AFL has a stronger club culture, which is horse crap but meh
 
collector said:
It's a legit line of argument, "We don't want to end up like the NRL" has been stated that many times in this thread, I am within my rights to question WHAT is wrong with the NRL's system.

I note after a day and a half of this, the best anyone has come up with is that the AFL has a stronger club culture, which is horse crap but meh
Granted that AFL v NRL Free Agency is mate, but arguing over which code is more popular
but
collector said:
Really?

I suggest you take some time to read the C7 court case against the NRL, News Ltd etc, where the contract details were provided, showing the the AFL and the media are in fact complicit in how the game is portrayed in the media.

Stop parroting the media, and actually do your own investigation ;)


On the Grand Finals, I thought until something dodgy was done with the regionals, that the NRL decider actually outrated the AFL this year? Also, the AFL GF was not between two Melbourne teams.
collector said:
Big Cat Lover said:
collector said:
& yet I still don't get this. You lot keep repeating this sh!t .... What exactly is wrong with the NRL?


Couldn't give a crapola whether you like the sport or not, I'm well aware most on here prefer to watch fumbles and dropsies than footballers with actual skill ... but what is actually wrong with their recruiting structure?
collector said:
hehe

I played soccer mostly at school, but did play 1 game of Aussie Rules to help them into the semis ... I would have been counted these days under the "player participation" counting.


Once again, people need to do their own investigation of what gets reported in the media before parroting the BS propaganda that is sprouted.

Once again * 2 - Crowd attendances mean absoloutely jack sh!t in terms of a games popularity whether Victorian's like it or not.

Sponsorship/Revenue - The game has a much greater FTA & media presence than RL, so yes, the game brings in more money. Quite simple really. RL has to compete for air time in Sydney media, unlike the VFL which is given a cushy free ride throughoutn the Melbourne media, who take any chance they can to put down opposing sports - Look at how Vlad used a compliant Herald Scum to wage war on the World Cup bid, even though the paper knew damn well the MCG reconfiguration proposal had been scrapped many months before they printed.
I actually thought you had been making some good points until you revealed your true colours with this little gem

Personally enjoy all sports at the elite level, have been to RL live and watched on TV and think it is a great game. The intensity and skill in SOO games is amazing, at last they broadcast it live here last year!

Your line about fumbles & dropsies and not having skill when referrring to AFL also shows an ignorance and bias. Every sport at the elite level has great skills.

Pity, you made some decent points until the end - if you dislike aussie rules so much I wonder why you purchased multiple memberships?
I don't dislike the game at all mate. Just find it an immense struggle to watch on tv, lest it be a Richmond game.


Due to the large dimmensions of the field, and the lack of an offside rule, the game is played at all times on several parts of the field at all times. Whereas a game like RL is essentially played where the ball is.


Watching on tv, you can't see the entire field, you can't see the build up of a play that a team is working on, the leading players in the forward line, the scragging going on for better positioning, all you generally see live is the player with ball in hand, you then see the rest on replay.


In comparison to the live experience, yes, Aussie Rules is a terrible tv game. It's not a knock on the sport as a whole it just doesn't suit television.


& yeah, I'll admit, the fumbles & dropsies comment was probably a tad to far, nothing annoys me more than insular Victorians who think the rest of the country think like they do. Aussie Rules has plenty of skills that RL could take advantage of the training to make their players better - For one, I always wonder when watching players kick the ball out 15-20 metres when given a penalty, why they don't get some of the Aussie Rules boys down to teach them how to pin point a 50 metre pass (Maybe not Richmond's boys of course :) ) which would give a huge field position advantage if they had someone who could kick like that.

What has this got to do with Free Agency???
 
collector said:
& you are talking sh!t. Plain and simple as that.
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Well I'm pleased for you that you have that opinion. It's crap, but great nonetheless.

Yeah, whatever.
 
Azza said:
Yeah, whatever.

Well it is crap.


You have absoloutely no idea of the time I spent with people up there, nor the depth of said interaction, yet feel free to make a judgement call.


So yes, what you say is absoloute sh!t.


Why don't you go back to explaining why NRL membership numbers should match the AFL's after only 4 years of existence...