Free agency

[collector]

Please repeat the FACTS you owned me with.

Given you refuse to listen, I am trying to PROVE my point, which you simply won't let me do, because you know damn well I have you backed into a corner here.


I'll answer it for you, seeing as how you refuse to


The Swans are not even remotely close to having the fanbase in Sydney that Parramatta do, yet their crowd average is near double the Eels each season.


If crowds are so indicative of a games popularity, please (in detail) explain why the Swans regularly draw much larger crowds than a club that dwarfs them in the support stakes.

 

[Total Tiger]

Please repeat the FACTS you owned me with.

Given you refuse to listen, I am trying to PROVE my point, which you simply won't let me do, because you know damn well I have you backed into a corner here.


I'll answer it for you, seeing as how you refuse to


The Swans are not even remotely close to having the fanbase in Sydney that Parramatta do, yet their crowd average is near double the Eels each season.


If crowds are so indicative of a games popularity, please (in detail) explain why the Swans regularly draw much larger crowds than a club that dwarfs them in the support stakes.

Guys, for days now you have hijacked a topic that is worthy of a debate to have a pissing contest on whether NRL or AFL is more popular. Any chance of exchanging email addresses and taking it elsewhere?

 

[collector]

^ Well you could try answer the question that was asked of you.


That might help get the debate back on topic


Regardles, I dunno how worthy of debate it is. Free Agency has arrived. Live with it.

 

[Azza]

Given you refuse to listen, I am trying to PROVE my point, which you simply won't let me do, because you know damn well I have you backed into a corner here.


I'll answer it for you, seeing as how you refuse to


The Swans are not even remotely close to having the fanbase in Sydney that Parramatta do, yet their crowd average is near double the Eels each season.


If crowds are so indicative of a games popularity, please (in detail) explain why the Swans regularly draw much larger crowds than a club that dwarfs them in the support stakes.

Is that your FACT?

a) What's the fan-base of Parramatta? What's the fanbase of the Swans? Please provide numbers.

b) The Swans are the only AFL club in Sydney, and they're the only choice if people want to watch AFL footy live, no matter what club they support, or even if they don't support any club. So the Swans are a stupid example.

Now, what about those FACTS, or is that all you've got?

 

[Total Tiger]

^ Well you could try answer the question that was asked of you.


That might help get the debate back on topic


Regardles, I dunno how worthy of debate it is. Free Agency has arrived. Live with it.

You'll find on page 5 that I replied to one of your comments and had no further reply from you. That is because you and Azza are hell bent on having the final word about something that really doesn't matter anyway and it got gobbled up with pages of your crap. As I said, take it elsewhere.

 

[Azza]

Guys, for days now you have hijacked a topic that is worthy of a debate to have a p!ssing contest on whether NRL or AFL is more popular. Any chance of exchanging email addresses and taking it elsewhere?

Done TT.

 

[Total Tiger]

Done TT.

Cheers ;D

 

[collector]

TT I do not believe you ever answered my question in relation to why we "Don't want to end up like the NRL"

If I've missed it, I apologise, please point me to your explanation as to what is wrong with the NRL setup

Though I still stand by, in the previous 10 years, the NRL ahs produced 8 unique premiers, the AFL 7. The only team to truly dominate the comp in that time (Melbourne) has done so, by working within their free agency system, not to sign stars year after year, but cast offs, those looking for a new oppurtunity.


Not a single one of the rich clubs is dominating the competition.


So yes, I am interested to know why AFL types keep throwing that statement out there...

 

[Azza]

Cheers ;D

Sorry. :duhman

 

[johnson2richo2003]

I'm still waiting for you to detail what is wrong with the NRL system...

And i answered."If your a real AFL supporter you know the answer". :

 

[Willo]

 

[collector]

And i answered."If your a real AFL supporter you know the answer". :

*smile* me dead.


Answer the damn question or *smile* off. There is no need for you to respond like that.


WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE NRL SYSTEM

 

[collector]

Not at all.


I am back on topic now. Madcow and TT have both stated that they don't want free agency to make the AFL "become like the NRL"


I want to know exactly what is wrong with the NRL


Is it my fault neither will answer the damn question? Oh, except for MAdcow who seems to think that a "Real AFL supporter would know what is right about a system that has been completely bastardised by the AFL, and is used by the AFL to keep existing clubs near the bottom, whilst providing massive recruitment free kicks to the new clubs"


So yeah, I guess I'm not a real AFL supporter for not understanding what is so wonderful about a corrupt system :

 

[Total Tiger]

TT I do not believe you ever answered my question in relation to why we "Don't want to end up like the NRL"

If I've missed it, I apologise, please point me to your explanation as to what is wrong with the NRL setup

Though I still stand by, in the previous 10 years, the NRL ahs produced 8 unique premiers, the AFL 7. The only team to truly dominate the comp in that time (Melbourne) has done so, by working within their free agency system, not to sign stars year after year, but cast offs, those looking for a new oppurtunity.


Not a single one of the rich clubs is dominating the competition.


So yes, I am interested to know why AFL types keep throwing that statement out there...

I'll go here with you, but it would be polite to reciprocate.

My dislike of the NRL system, aside from the game itself (which is a personal choice), has nothing to do with which game is more successful or more popular. To be honest, I don't see NRL as a threat to AFL and they can mutually exist along with soccer, basketball or tiddlywinks as far as I'm concerned. I'm not much of a fan of them either.

However, the idea of players signing with other clubs mid-season and then continuing to play out the year with their original club is abhorrent to me. In AFL, the team has always come before the individual. I am fearful that with free agency, and with the rules covering the inclusion of GC and GWS which includes an element of free agency in them, that this will happen. I also believe that one of the great things that the AFL has brought to the old VFL competition is the evenness of the competition and I think that free agency will put that at risk, especially if the AFL won't rule out 3rd party payments (watching them closely is not enough). I also remember back to the 80s when we lost champion players in a free agency-style system, as did plenty of other clubs, and it was ugly.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

*smile* me dead.


Answer the damn question or p!ss off. There is no need for you to respond like that.


WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE NRL SYSTEM

:nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity.
As an Die hard AFL supporter i know whats wrong with the NRL system.Its sticks out like dogs balls.Unless of coarse one has his head up his own ass.

 

[Total Tiger]

And i answered."If your a real AFL supporter you know the answer". :

Oh jeez Cpt, don't egg him on. This has got out of hand already.

 

[collector]

:nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity.
As an Die hard AFL supporter i know whats wrong with the NRL system.Its sticks out like dogs balls.Unless of coarse one has his head up his own ass.

When the Gold Coast were introduced to the NRL, they were able to work within the same system as the other clubs to build their playing roster. Whilst their signings may have hurt some clubs, those clubs had equal op to sign players from elsewhere to replace the players they had lost.

With the Gold Coast being introduced to the AFL, the AFL has completely corrupted the drafting/trading system to allow the Gold Coast to build a list. They have introduced Free Agency for them to raid other clubs, whilst not allowing the other clubs the same chance to replace the players they are losing. Hawthorn lose Lance Franklin, Geelong lose Gary Ablett, Richmond lose Trent Cotchin? That's ok, you can have a draft pick, of our choosing, years down the road, to draft a kid, who will take 3-4 years to turn into a superstar, to replace the superstar you have right now. For any clubs, (including our own) that finish near the bottom over the next few years, you won't be afforded the standard rights to draft the best kids in the comp, we've given all those players to the Gold Coast.


So, again I ask... What is wrong the NRL system?


TT, appreciate your response and it's what I thought you'd say. I can only answer with pretty much along the lines of what I said to Baloo. Like it or not, these guys are professionals, and we (As members and supporters) don't own them. Fact is, so long as the player behaves in a professional manner in regards to the job they are contracted to do, for the life of that contract, that is all we can ask of them.

Clubs are well within their rights to not play any one who signs with another club mid-season & they most certainly would if a player wasn't performing in a professional manner. The AFL is no longer a sport, it is big business, and it's employees should be entitled to ply their trade wherever they choose to.

 

[collector]

I'll go here with you, but it would be polite to reciprocate.

Are you talking about restraint of trade?

On my page 5, your last post starts with "I get it, just don't agree"


I responded to that?

 

[Total Tiger]

Are you talking about restraint of trade?

On my page 5, your last post starts with "I get it, just don't agree"


I responded to that?

Sorry, I'll read back through. If you responded to that post, it must have got lost in what has eventuated since then. I will try and find it. Either way, I'm bowing out. This form of arguement that you have carried on with in this topic is why I gave up on reading other sites and came to PRE in the first place. I'm not interested in bickering to prove a point or continuing to repeat myself until I have the final word. Just quality, respectful debate where I can learn something through other people's opinion and knowledge and perhaps even have my opinion swayed by way of education. You're relatively new here, as indeed I am also, but it is what makes this site an interesting place to read.

 

[collector]

LMAO

Respectful debate. This would include all of the abuse I have been subjected to?


Fact is, I responded to your post in a thoughtful, respectful manner. What on earth is wrong with that?


Short of you having a hissy fit because I simply don't agree with your desire for the clubs to "own" the players. Their rights, are more important than yours or mine as a member.


As for my repsonse, it was within 10 posts later, so it isn't all that hard to find. It's certainly before Azza and i got into the OTT debate.