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craig said:
Not too worried bout the great McGrath debate for now but i just wanna know why Katich - who is a dud is still in any form of the Aussie cricket side especially with selectors crapping on bout how they want a team for the future

Jaques, North, Rogers, Birt and the fella from SA ive forgot his name for the time being are all better off getting a run than Katich who is certainly not in our best options for opening the one day side surely, not to mention one M Hussey.


Judging by Punters comments the other day Craig you will have to put up with Katich until after the World cup next year. I'm more concerned with the likes of Martin still being in the side. Ok when playing lesser teams but left wanting when playing in a real torid game. Apart from his last game he has been ordinary and should go.

On the other hand im bloody knicked off that Jaques has not been given a decent go by so called selectors. Me thinks maybe too many beers are being swilled during the selection process by certain members..... ;)
 
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Tubytiger said:
the claw said:
imo mcgrath is gone hes dropped 2 yds of pace and doesnt look like taking wickets unless he gets a wicket thats doing a fair bit and even then hes struggling.gillespie has not been replaced  we are screaming out for a bowler with genuine pace not just for now but the near future,take lee out of the team and the kindest word i can find for the attack is pedestrian.dorey bracken clarke are all poor mans versions of mcgrath and not as good even if glen is past it thay are not the answer.i also believe gilchrist has gone as well its been so long since hes played an important innings of note it not funny,for guys like gilly when you get a bit old, and the eyes go a bit, and the technique is not the greatest well it catches up with ya.
finally whats happend to gilly happens to everyone and cricket in australia is heading for a big fall.young people are leaving the game in droves and concentrating on sports where they might reach the top while they are still young atm it seems if your not 30 something you cant get a prper go at the elite level.


:hihi  :hihi  :hihi Claw, Claw, Claw - McGrath may not of got too many wickets but he is still one of our best bowlers maybe behind Lee. But still consistently beats the bat of top order batsman from around the world. He is still economic and very viable in the immediate future of the Australian Cricket team. So you want him to retire now hey and with your comments on the other bowlers in our team you would leave it up to them to guide the aussies through to the world cup hey.... C'mon mate get with the real world - there is daylight between McGrath, Lee and the rest. Maybe Hogg and McGill as spinners but as for our medium pacers (except for McGrath) as far as im concerned that is where we are lacking by a long way and where we need to improve.
look i agree he is still one of the better bowlers in the country and he would be one of the first players i would pick in the short version of the game which i coul;dnt care les about.but at test level he opens the bowling and is expected to take wickets which hes not doing.its time to play a promising YOUNG QUICK OR 2 even if it means we go backwards for 12 18 mnonths.the backwards trend is happening now any way. we lost to the poms and if SA had taken the chances they created they would of won or at least drew the series with a very pedestrian attack.and the amount of times the bowlers have had to bat us out of trouble in recent yrs is very disturbing.
take a look at the poms attack flintoff genuine quick bowls in the high 140s low 150s swings it and is a better bowler than b lee.harmison another genuine quick high 140s comes from great height and generates nasty bounce.jones low 140s seems to be able to swing the ball in most conditions at genuine pace.they have the other medium paced swing bowler whose name i cant recall and giles bowling spin.if they can find a good spinner who turns the ball a bit well look out for a series white wash when they come out here.one other thing they have been playing some younger bowlers at test level as well in pakistan.
now lets look at australias attack.
mcgrath has lost a yard of pace and is only med pace needs help from wicket it seems to take wickets nowdays. lee high 140s to mid 150s genuine quick who doesnt have a cricket brain. bracken see mcgrath is to old anyway to be starting a test career clarke see bracken to old again.kasprowicz not good enough to old bichel the same gillespie gone.to old.tate young raw quick but cant see him succeeding against quality test players with his action.dorey not good enough.
if it were down to me lewis from vic and the young quick up in qld cant think of his name would be given a contract the time is now to find some genuine quicks.as for spinners warne 36 mcgill 32 or34 im afraid one of these has to miss out and a young guy brought in someone like casson maybe.
finally i find it very hard to watch cricket lately what with all the hangers on who are past it.
 
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the claw said:
Tubytiger said:
the claw said:
imo mcgrath is gone hes dropped 2 yds of pace and doesnt look like taking wickets unless he gets a wicket thats doing a fair bit and even then hes struggling.gillespie has not been replaced  we are screaming out for a bowler with genuine pace not just for now but the near future,take lee out of the team and the kindest word i can find for the attack is pedestrian.dorey bracken clarke are all poor mans versions of mcgrath and not as good even if glen is past it thay are not the answer.i also believe gilchrist has gone as well its been so long since hes played an important innings of note it not funny,for guys like gilly when you get a bit old, and the eyes go a bit, and the technique is not the greatest well it catches up with ya.
finally whats happend to gilly happens to everyone and cricket in australia is heading for a big fall.young people are leaving the game in droves and concentrating on sports where they might reach the top while they are still young atm it seems if your not 30 something you cant get a prper go at the elite level.


:hihi  :hihi  :hihi Claw, Claw, Claw - McGrath may not of got too many wickets but he is still one of our best bowlers maybe behind Lee. But still consistently beats the bat of top order batsman from around the world. He is still economic and very viable in the immediate future of the Australian Cricket team. So you want him to retire now hey and with your comments on the other bowlers in our team you would leave it up to them to guide the aussies through to the world cup hey.... C'mon mate get with the real world - there is daylight between McGrath, Lee and the rest. Maybe Hogg and McGill as spinners but as for our medium pacers (except for McGrath) as far as im concerned that is where we are lacking by a long way and where we need to improve.
look i agree he is still one of the better bowlers in the country and he would be one of the first players i would pick in the short version of the game which i coul;dnt care les about.but at test level he opens the bowling and is expected to take wickets which hes not doing.its time to play a promising YOUNG QUICK OR 2 even if it means we go backwards for 12 18 mnonths.the backwards trend is happening now any way. we lost to the poms and if SA had taken the chances they created they would of won or at least drew the series with a very pedestrian attack.and the amount of times the bowlers have had to bat us out of trouble in recent yrs is very disturbing.
take a look at the poms attack flintoff genuine quick bowls in the high 140s low 150s swings it and is a better bowler than b lee.harmison another genuine quick high 140s comes from great height and generates nasty bounce.jones low 140s seems to be able to swing the ball in most conditions at genuine pace.they have the other medium paced swing bowler whose name i cant recall and giles bowling spin.if they can find a good spinner who turns the ball a bit well look out for a series white wash when they come out here.one other thing they have been playing some younger bowlers at test level as well in pakistan.
now lets look at australias attack.
mcgrath has lost a yard of pace and is only med pace needs help from wicket it seems to take wickets nowdays. lee high 140s to mid 150s genuine quick who doesnt have a cricket brain. bracken see mcgrath is to old anyway to be starting a test career clarke see bracken to old again.kasprowicz not good enough to old bichel the same  gillespie gone.to old.tate young raw quick but cant see him succeeding against quality test players with his action.dorey not good enough.
if it were down to me lewis from vic and the young quick up in qld cant think of his name would be given a contract the time is now to find some genuine quicks.as for spinners warne 36 mcgill 32 or34 im afraid one of these has to miss out and a young guy brought in someone like casson maybe.
finally i find it very hard to watch cricket lately what with all the hangers on who are past it.


I wouldnt be comparing us to England Claw - its only taken them 15 + years to get anywhere near the aussies and lets just see how they go out here later in the year mate.

But i do share your concern about our depth. There isnt really too much out there at the moment to get excited about. We are ageing and Test cricket is really what is all about but dont go writing off players too early. I still believe that we are up there and are a yardstick for overseas teams. We have been for umpteen years but with a spike there is always a trough - natural. What we do from here in getting younger players( am i mean early 2o's not bloody 30 year olds) through the squad is completely up to selectors who i tell you now i dont have any faith what so ever in.
 
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lets not forget we would have won the ashes if kaspa had got a bit more bat on the ball and scored a 4 instead of being out caught in the game we lost by 2 runs.  And if MacGilla had played who knows?

For Test Matches - Bracken is a genuine swing bowler who needs time in the middle.  Left arm swing has traditionally worried the poms.  I would persist with him and let him open with Lee.  McGrath must accept that he is now a 1st change bowler whose job is to tie an end down while the spinners go to work at the other end.  He is no longer a strike bowler and by insisting on opening the bowling he is depriving Bracken of a new ball that he can swing.

For One Day Pyjamas - Forget McGrath as an opener.  I would save him up for 10 of the last 20 overs. Use Lee and Bracken as the openers and the other overs to be bowled by Symonds, Hogg and Warne (if comes back to 1 day cricket).
 
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poppa x said:
lets not forget we would have won the ashes if kaspa had got a bit more bat on the ball and scored a 4 instead of being out caught in the game we lost by 2 runs. And if MacGilla had played who knows?
The 2-1 result flattered us.Its time we stopped making excuses for our ashes defeat.
 
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mb64 said:
poppa x said:
lets not forget we would have won the ashes if kaspa had got a bit more bat on the ball and scored a 4 instead of being out caught in the game we lost by 2 runs.  And if MacGilla had played who knows?
The 2-1 result flattered us.Its time we stopped making excuses for our ashes defeat.

Agree Mb and England played all over us in that series ( bit like a real rocky movie) but i still think let them come out here later in the year and see who are the men and who are the boys. This time we will be ready - imo we went into that series bloody too cocky. It wont happen next time.
 
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mb64 said:
poppa x said:
lets not forget we would have won the ashes if kaspa had got a bit more bat on the ball and scored a 4 instead of being out caught in the game we lost by 2 runs.  And if MacGilla had played who knows?
The 2-1 result flattered us.Its time we stopped making excuses for our ashes defeat.

the result did indeed flatter us because we played poorly, selected the team poorly and had mcgrath out in key games.  so imagine how we would have gone without these things.  then throw in some rotten luck for Martyn with LBW's and the poms home ground advantage and I think all things considered we did well to only lose 2-1 and the poms while entitled to crow must be a bit nervous about our next meeting. they deserved to win but with everything in their favour (sh*t happens!) should have won more convincingly.
 
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poppa x said:
lets not forget we would have won the ashes if kaspa had got a bit more bat on the ball and scored a 4 instead of being out caught in the game we lost by 2 runs.  And if MacGilla had played who knows?

For Test Matches - Bracken is a genuine swing bowler who needs time in the middle.  Left arm swing has traditionally worried the poms.  I would persist with him and let him open with Lee.  McGrath must accept that he is now a 1st change bowler whose job is to tie an end down while the spinners go to work at the other end.  He is no longer a strike bowler and by insisting on opening the bowling he is depriving Bracken of a new ball that he can swing.

For One Day Pyjamas - Forget McGrath as an opener.  I would save him up for 10 of the last 20 overs. Use Lee and Bracken as the openers and the other overs to be bowled by Symonds, Hogg and Warne (if comes back to 1 day cricket).

You're right Poppa with Mcgrath, let him bowl his spell at the 30 over mark. As for Lee, I'd bowl his 10 overs straight out as he has no idea at the end of an innings when the pressure is on to keep the runs down.
 
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mainlandy said:
poppa x said:
lets not forget we would have won the ashes if kaspa had got a bit more bat on the ball and scored a 4 instead of being out caught in the game we lost by 2 runs.  And if MacGilla had played who knows?

For Test Matches - Bracken is a genuine swing bowler who needs time in the middle.  Left arm swing has traditionally worried the poms.  I would persist with him and let him open with Lee.  McGrath must accept that he is now a 1st change bowler whose job is to tie an end down while the spinners go to work at the other end.  He is no longer a strike bowler and by insisting on opening the bowling he is depriving Bracken of a new ball that he can swing.

For One Day Pyjamas - Forget McGrath as an opener.  I would save him up for 10 of the last 20 overs. Use Lee and Bracken as the openers and the other overs to be bowled by Symonds, Hogg and Warne (if comes back to 1 day cricket).

You're right Poppa with Mcgrath, let him bowl his spell at the 30 over mark. As for Lee, I'd bowl his 10 overs straight out as he has no idea at the end of an innings when the pressure is on to keep the runs down.


So....who bowls the last 10 overs then???? Simmonds and Bracken :-\ I would be very surprised if both McGrath and Lee didnt bowl in the last of the overs. They are the best bowlers we have got and should be used when it counts. Appologies to Hogg who is the next best bowler who could bowl in the last 10 overs.
 
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look bowlers win matches batsmen save them.everyone has missed my main point that being we need to find a replacement for gillespie NOW.
we took lewis to nz and then discarded him. what was wrong with perservering with him i would hope the selectors have the brains to take at least 1 genuine young quick to sa.
 
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I agree Claw. The selectors have been very active in rebuilding the batting line up but the biggest challenge we face is replacing the best strike combination in history. McGrath will play in the Ashes but his decline has started and I doubt he'll be routing the Poms as he used to. Bracken looks to be improving but finding another option is vital. Lewis looks to be pretty hard done by. Even Warney got clouted in his first test - and anything can happen in one dayers.
 
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I have no problem with Lewis playing Claw and wonder why he was left out after the NZ series although I do prefer others in Harwood, Rofe.
Lewis is also 30 Claw and older than Bracken and Clark (if I am right you have said they are too old to start a test career.
i dont mind Bracken at the moment as he is different left arm swing bowler and pace is not everything.
 
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Third Test, Karachi
Pakistan 218/7 (Kamran Akmal 101 no; Irfan Pathan 3/47)
Tea, Day one

India won the toss and put Pakistan in, so finally a pitch with a bit of life in it! Well justified as Pakistan slumped to 0/3 and then 39/6, but Kamran Akmal, Abdul Razzaq and Shoaib Ahktar have led the fightback for the home side. Pathan had a triple-wicket maiden for his first over!
 
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Pakistan v India, 3rd Test, Karachi, 1st day
Balls of fire - When Pathan rocked Pakistan
Anand Vasu
January 29, 2006

In a sensational start to the third Test, Irfan Pathan swung balls of fire that scorched the Pakistan top order. Here is a ball-by-ball account of his first over where he rocked Pakistan.

0.1 Pathan to Salman Butt, no run, just short of a good length and on the middle and leg, a bit of swing away from the left-handed Butt, defended awkwardly, the ball loops back down the pitch off the edge.

0.2 Pathan to Salman Butt, no run, short of a good length and far outside the off stump, left well alone to the keeper, a bit of swing there.

0.3 Pathan to Salman Butt, no run, and another one short of a length and outside the off swinging away appreciably, left well alone by Butt.

India attacking with three slips and a gully.

0.4 Pathan to Salman Butt, OUT: fuller this time and on the off, the ball swings late and Butt plays at it tentatively. The ball takes the edge and goes towards slip. Rahul Dravid dives low and takes a sharp catch!

India have got off to the best possible start! Pakistan have lost their first wicket without a single run on the board! Rahul Dravid will already be breathing easier about his decision to field first. That is a great start for India in this decisive Test match. Younis Khan is the new batsman.

0.5 Pathan to Younis Khan, OUT: full and on the stumps, this one swings in very late, that is a perfectly pitched delivery and it nails Younis lbw right in front of the stumps! India are on fire!

Pakistan in dire straits here at two wickets down without a run on the board. What a start for the Indian team and Irfan Pathan, who is on a hat-trick! Just a bit more for the bowlers and what a difference it makes! Mohammad Yousuf is facing the hat-trick ball. Three slips and two gullies in place

0.6 Pathan to Mohammad Yousuf, OUT: Got him! Sensational stuff at the National Stadium! Mohammad Yousuf bowled through the gate by a pearl of an inswinger! That one came in superbly after pitching outside off stump and shattered the stumps!

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/pakvind/content/story/234834.html
 
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Bloody Nora :eek: great effort imagine Bill Lawry if he was commentating that he'd ve had a fit for sure :hihi
 
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Hodge fails again whcih has probably finished his 1 day international career.Appears wonky outside off stump & looked too tenative.Has plenty of work ahead of him to cement his test spot.
 
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mb64 said:
Hodge fails again whcih has probably finished his 1 day international career.Appears wonky outside off stump & looked too tenative.Has plenty of work ahead of him to cement his test spot.

Gone (and never going to make it) mb. His test career will also stall now. Only filling in for Ponting anyway. Jaques will fill the next gap regardless of position in order.