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Really Jayasuiya is the man for them in the batting stakes without doubt which at his age is amazing. I wouldnt think other than Vaas and Murali in the bowling is about it. Bring on South Africa in the finals - looking forward to it.
craig said:
Really Jayasuiya is the man for them in the batting stakes without doubt which at his age is amazing. I wouldnt think other than Vaas and Murali in the bowling is about it. Bring on South Africa in the finals - looking forward to it.
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Forgot to post score update last night.
Third Test, Karachi
Pakistan 245 and 599/7 dec. (Faisal Iqbal 139, Abdul Razzaq 90)
India 238 and 265 (Yuvraj Singh 122; Abdul Razzaq 4/88, Mohammad Asif 3/48)
Pakistan win by 341 runs
Pakistan win the three-match series 1-0
Forgot to post score update last night.
Third Test, Karachi
Pakistan 245 and 599/7 dec. (Faisal Iqbal 139, Abdul Razzaq 90)
India 238 and 265 (Yuvraj Singh 122; Abdul Razzaq 4/88, Mohammad Asif 3/48)
Pakistan win by 341 runs
Pakistan win the three-match series 1-0
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Very good comment piece on Cricinfo about racism at Australian cricket grounds.
Kicking out racism
By Peter English
http://www.cricinfo.com/
February 1, 2006
The treatment of racism in Australia is evident in the coverage of Queensland's The Courier-Mail today. The ICC's decision to send Goolam Vahanvati, India's solicitor-general, to investigate the appalling crowd behaviour at Australian grounds, including the state's main stadium in Brisbane, appeared on the sport section's third page. On the front cover John Howard, the prime minister, was telling television stations to watch their Ps and Qs, but mainly their Fs and Cs, when producing reality shows.
Vulgar language and the odd flash of skin during Big Brother is apparently too offensive for the many conservative viewers, but when it comes to colour the country is expert at clamming and covering up. An embarrassed Cricket Australia has had to ask the government, a coalition of the Liberal and National parties who have refused to apologise to the Aboriginals' stolen generation, for help punishing spectators yelling racist abuse at visiting sportsmen.
Stump microphones have been turned down so viewers aren't shocked by the players swearing, but the words in the stands this summer have been much more upsetting. South Africa have complained throughout the tour of racial taunts, which have resulted in a handful of offenders being ejected and the threat of future boycotts, and last week the Sri Lankans were targeted as "black c****" in Adelaide and Sydney. The mainstream theory condemns ex-pat South Africans for bringing in words like "kaffir", as if the only place the pure locals have seen them is in cookbooks next to vine leaves.
"Don't blame Australians for the racist remarks," a reader wrote to Cricinfo's feedback this week. "They were made by South Africans now living in Australia." This popular comment misses the problem that has been pushed underground for decades.
A bay of supporters was decked in patriotic gold shirts at the SCG last summer to watch Australia play Pakistan. Closer inspection of their garb revealed a slogan including the words "Pakis" and "towelheads". The year before Indian supporters were upset to be called "coolies" at Adelaide and in response to the Barmy Army's 2002-03 chants the locals fans responded with "I'd rather be a Paki than a Pom". All were probably expat South Africans.
At the Twenty20 international in Brisbane earlier this month a family visiting from Perth wanted only to watch Ricky Ponting bat. They saw him and were excited, but they also heard a group of men behind them speaking quietly about the "monkeys" in South Africa's team before a fight broke out a few rows further back. The punching man was thrown out but the group of old-world attitudes remained. Before the 2003 World Cup Darren Lehmann was banned for yelling "black c****" in a Gabba dressing room after being run out against Sri Lanka. Lehmann's supporters said he was definitely not a racist, but a "good bloke" who was affected by the heat of the moment.
Is there a pattern here, or are there just a lot of South Africans in Australia? The attitudes seem so ingrained they go unnoticed by the users or their sympathisers. The rest of the world sees the damage through international coverage of the recent beach riots at Cronulla, the Tampa boat crisis over refugees in 2001, the policies of the popular One Nation party in the 1990s and its cricket grounds.
However, national immaturity prevents Australia from recognising the racism even though terms such as "Lebs", "blacks" and "Abos" appear in many conversations. Yesterday a sports-loving gentleman at a club morning tea wondered what all the fuss was about: "They've been called kaffirs all their life, why does it matter now?"
English football set up a Let's Kick Racism Out of Football group in 1993 and a similar exercise would be valuable in cricket as a tool of education and understanding. Tim Cahill, the Australian midfielder at Everton, holds a prominent position on their website. "Racism is not only unacceptable, it is criminal," Cahill says. At best this summer's offenders are guilty of gross ignorance, at worst they are racist. Cahill's description must become the standard line.
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http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/235281.html
Very good comment piece on Cricinfo about racism at Australian cricket grounds.
Kicking out racism
By Peter English
http://www.cricinfo.com/
February 1, 2006
The treatment of racism in Australia is evident in the coverage of Queensland's The Courier-Mail today. The ICC's decision to send Goolam Vahanvati, India's solicitor-general, to investigate the appalling crowd behaviour at Australian grounds, including the state's main stadium in Brisbane, appeared on the sport section's third page. On the front cover John Howard, the prime minister, was telling television stations to watch their Ps and Qs, but mainly their Fs and Cs, when producing reality shows.
Vulgar language and the odd flash of skin during Big Brother is apparently too offensive for the many conservative viewers, but when it comes to colour the country is expert at clamming and covering up. An embarrassed Cricket Australia has had to ask the government, a coalition of the Liberal and National parties who have refused to apologise to the Aboriginals' stolen generation, for help punishing spectators yelling racist abuse at visiting sportsmen.
Stump microphones have been turned down so viewers aren't shocked by the players swearing, but the words in the stands this summer have been much more upsetting. South Africa have complained throughout the tour of racial taunts, which have resulted in a handful of offenders being ejected and the threat of future boycotts, and last week the Sri Lankans were targeted as "black c****" in Adelaide and Sydney. The mainstream theory condemns ex-pat South Africans for bringing in words like "kaffir", as if the only place the pure locals have seen them is in cookbooks next to vine leaves.
"Don't blame Australians for the racist remarks," a reader wrote to Cricinfo's feedback this week. "They were made by South Africans now living in Australia." This popular comment misses the problem that has been pushed underground for decades.
A bay of supporters was decked in patriotic gold shirts at the SCG last summer to watch Australia play Pakistan. Closer inspection of their garb revealed a slogan including the words "Pakis" and "towelheads". The year before Indian supporters were upset to be called "coolies" at Adelaide and in response to the Barmy Army's 2002-03 chants the locals fans responded with "I'd rather be a Paki than a Pom". All were probably expat South Africans.
At the Twenty20 international in Brisbane earlier this month a family visiting from Perth wanted only to watch Ricky Ponting bat. They saw him and were excited, but they also heard a group of men behind them speaking quietly about the "monkeys" in South Africa's team before a fight broke out a few rows further back. The punching man was thrown out but the group of old-world attitudes remained. Before the 2003 World Cup Darren Lehmann was banned for yelling "black c****" in a Gabba dressing room after being run out against Sri Lanka. Lehmann's supporters said he was definitely not a racist, but a "good bloke" who was affected by the heat of the moment.
Is there a pattern here, or are there just a lot of South Africans in Australia? The attitudes seem so ingrained they go unnoticed by the users or their sympathisers. The rest of the world sees the damage through international coverage of the recent beach riots at Cronulla, the Tampa boat crisis over refugees in 2001, the policies of the popular One Nation party in the 1990s and its cricket grounds.
However, national immaturity prevents Australia from recognising the racism even though terms such as "Lebs", "blacks" and "Abos" appear in many conversations. Yesterday a sports-loving gentleman at a club morning tea wondered what all the fuss was about: "They've been called kaffirs all their life, why does it matter now?"
English football set up a Let's Kick Racism Out of Football group in 1993 and a similar exercise would be valuable in cricket as a tool of education and understanding. Tim Cahill, the Australian midfielder at Everton, holds a prominent position on their website. "Racism is not only unacceptable, it is criminal," Cahill says. At best this summer's offenders are guilty of gross ignorance, at worst they are racist. Cahill's description must become the standard line.
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http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/235281.html
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I read that one the other day, Ready, but wasn't all that impressed. In my opinion it doesn't nearly get to the heart if the problem - or at least, it didn't hit it for mine.
Problem is, I'm struggling to find what the heart of the problem is myself.
I read that one the other day, Ready, but wasn't all that impressed. In my opinion it doesn't nearly get to the heart if the problem - or at least, it didn't hit it for mine.
Problem is, I'm struggling to find what the heart of the problem is myself.
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Don't worry guys - I'll be wearing my "Bounce Racial Sledging Out" wristband tomorrow.
I think the racism problem lies in the fact that one day cricket really draws out the bogan contingent of cricket followers. Many of whom are narrow minded and racist. Having said that, I've not really witnessed these racist taunts.
Don't worry guys - I'll be wearing my "Bounce Racial Sledging Out" wristband tomorrow.
I think the racism problem lies in the fact that one day cricket really draws out the bogan contingent of cricket followers. Many of whom are narrow minded and racist. Having said that, I've not really witnessed these racist taunts.
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Before the Boxing Day Test against India a couple of years ago I was waiting for a mate at the Stewart St exit of Richmond station. A train pulled in and the crowd came towards the barriers. An Indian bloke walked in front of a white bloke by accident -- not his fault, just one of those things that happen sometimes when you have a large moving crowd in a confined space. The white bloke snapped at him: "*smile* watch where you're goin', you *smile* black *smile*." Not your caricature racist, but some thirty-something in a polo shirt. I told him to leave it out in no uncertain terms, and he looked at me ready to have a go. Now I don't look particularly nasty or tough, but he saw how angry I was and he mumbled something under his breath and shot off down the ramp with his head down. Unfortunately not everyone would do the same... and if it were five thickneck blokes who'd had a go at the Indian fellow, I'd like to say I would have spoken up, but I can't be sure, can I? There's too many thugs who think they can get away with it, and unfortunately often do.
The problem it identifies is that it's a lot more prevalent than a lot think, and that there's a tendency to shrug it off. Unfortunately a lot of people are, as Curtis said, narrow minded.interested said:
Before the Boxing Day Test against India a couple of years ago I was waiting for a mate at the Stewart St exit of Richmond station. A train pulled in and the crowd came towards the barriers. An Indian bloke walked in front of a white bloke by accident -- not his fault, just one of those things that happen sometimes when you have a large moving crowd in a confined space. The white bloke snapped at him: "*smile* watch where you're goin', you *smile* black *smile*." Not your caricature racist, but some thirty-something in a polo shirt. I told him to leave it out in no uncertain terms, and he looked at me ready to have a go. Now I don't look particularly nasty or tough, but he saw how angry I was and he mumbled something under his breath and shot off down the ramp with his head down. Unfortunately not everyone would do the same... and if it were five thickneck blokes who'd had a go at the Indian fellow, I'd like to say I would have spoken up, but I can't be sure, can I? There's too many thugs who think they can get away with it, and unfortunately often do.
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Went to boxing day this year and for first time we left to seat in other seats because of the abuse and language for the crowd and this was in the AFL memebers area. It was not racist but just very crude, it definately was not good natured barracking like barmy army.From lunch onwards after a belly full of beer it was unbearable with no regard for kids sitting around us.
Crowd behaviour at the cricket has gone downhill, with many at boxing day there as it an event and only small minority interested in the cricket with most there to hit a beach ball and back up the next day from Christmas Day.
Went to boxing day this year and for first time we left to seat in other seats because of the abuse and language for the crowd and this was in the AFL memebers area. It was not racist but just very crude, it definately was not good natured barracking like barmy army.From lunch onwards after a belly full of beer it was unbearable with no regard for kids sitting around us.
Crowd behaviour at the cricket has gone downhill, with many at boxing day there as it an event and only small minority interested in the cricket with most there to hit a beach ball and back up the next day from Christmas Day.
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McGrath out odf side today due to personal reasons.I'm hoping it has nothing to do with his wife's health.Logic would suggest Brett Lee comes back into side.Dorey in the Aussies side today which suggests there should be plenty of runs.
McGrath out odf side today due to personal reasons.I'm hoping it has nothing to do with his wife's health.Logic would suggest Brett Lee comes back into side.Dorey in the Aussies side today which suggests there should be plenty of runs.
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I've decided I don't like Katich in one dayers... Just too slow and thats not the Australian way.
The pitch is a shocker though.
I've decided I don't like Katich in one dayers... Just too slow and thats not the Australian way.
The pitch is a shocker though.
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Wow.
That was interesting...
Final 4 overs:
1 4 6 2 2 4 | 4 4 4 4 1 . | 1 4 . 1 4 1 | 4 4 W B1 4 .W
Wow.
That was interesting...
Final 4 overs:
1 4 6 2 2 4 | 4 4 4 4 1 . | 1 4 . 1 4 1 | 4 4 W B1 4 .W
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One of the best final 8 overs ive been priveledged to watch by the Aussies - finished up 281 with Simmonds being run out on the last ball. Absolutely fantastic effort boys especially Hussey and Simmonds in those last overs :clap :clap
interested said:
One of the best final 8 overs ive been priveledged to watch by the Aussies - finished up 281 with Simmonds being run out on the last ball. Absolutely fantastic effort boys especially Hussey and Simmonds in those last overs :clap :clap
