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Brandon Ellis

We had to drop a couple to fit the incoming players in, given Brandon's fairly modest results so far this year, he was a logical choice. He's too good a player to not get back in, but he's going to have to work at it and that is not a bad thing at all.
 
Seriously if a player as good as Brandon Ellis is struggling to get a game the list is in good shape.

I would probably prefer Brandon in the team to Kamdyn Mc but to be honest neither really deserve to be dropped. Neither did Towner or Lloyd. Butler is now under some pressure from Stengle imo

This sort of stuff drives performance. Good times
 
Sintiger said:
Seriously if a player as good as Brandon Ellis is struggling to get a game the list is in good shape.

I would probably prefer Brandon in the team to Kamdyn Mc but to be honest neither really deserve to be dropped. Neither did Towner or Lloyd. Butler is now under some pressure from Stengle imo

This sort of stuff drives performance. Good times
Agree, Butler will need to keep the graph going up, Purley as a defensive forward Stengle may not have the pace of Butler , however his a much better tackler as well as been a much more skilled and smart player, of all the small forwards we have I rate Butler as the lowest ceiling, in saying that I’m more then happy to go with what ever Dimma an co go with as it’s not about the individual but the unit as a whole.
 
Mr Brightside said:
Agree, Butler will need to keep the graph going up, Purley as a defensive forward Stengle may not have the pace of Butler , however his a much better tackler as well as been a much more skilled and smart player, of all the small forwards we have I rate Butler as the lowest ceiling, in saying that I’m more then happy to go with what ever Dimma an co go with as it’s not about the individual but the unit as a whole.

Sounds very similar to the comments about Castagna last year, If you think that Stengle is a better player than Butler i suggest you watch Butler live rather than television he does alot of work you dont get statts for or talked about
 
turk-d-tiger said:
Sounds very similar to the comments about Castagna last year, If you think that Stengle is a better player than Butler i suggest you watch Butler live rather than television he does alot of work you dont get statts for or talked about

I reckon Stengle is a much smarter, more natural player than Butler. Not better. Yet.
May not actually get there as he simply doesn't have the conditioning or fitness base to put 4 quarters together but this kid can do things that others simply cannot. Just ask Fly.
 
turk-d-tiger said:
Sounds very similar to the comments about Castagna last year, If you think that Stengle is a better player than Butler i suggest you watch Butler live rather than television he does alot of work you dont get statts for or talked about
Watched Butler and Stengle many times live an I know exactly what Butler ads to the team as I’ve said as a pure footballer I.e skills, smarts, tackling I prefer Stengle over Butler, you may not that’s your call.

One other thing re Butler which you see at the game live or on TV is the brain freezes, I probably sound a bit harsh on Butler, I don’t mind him as a player at all, I just think his got some real competition coming for his spot.

On Castagna there’s no doubt he had a few quiet games on the stats sheet last year, however like Butler and Rioli for that matter they were all part of a unit that won a premiership that did a stack of unseen stuff, the main thing that Castagna offers over Butler is in the air, fights well above his weight division in that area. I can understand others not rating Georgie overly highly before this year as his not a “ pretty” looking footballer but as you know he more then makes up for it and I’d guess would be the popular vote for most improved.

Bottom line is we have a small forward brigade that hasn’t ever been seen before, they have somewhat changed the game, thing is at this stage we can only play 3 , however in time I think the likes of Rioli, Higgins and Bolton will play up the ground, however at this point it’s a tough call on who are the best combination
 
Mr Brightside said:
Watched Butler and Stengle many times live an I know exactly what Butler ads to the team as I’ve said as a pure footballer I.e skills, smarts, tackling I prefer Stengle over Butler, you may not that’s your call.

On Castagna there’s no doubt he had a few quiet games on the stats sheet last year, however like Butler and Rioli for that matter they were all part of a unit that won a premiership that did a stack of unseen stuff, the main thing that Castagna offers over Butler is in the air, fights well above his weight division in that area. I can understand others not rating Georgie overly highly before this year as his not a “ pretty” looking footballer but as you know he more then makes up for it and I’d guess would be the popular vote for most improved.

Bottom line is we have a small forward brigade that hasn’t ever been seen before, they have somewhat changed the game, thing is at this stage we can only play 3 , however in time I think the likes of Rioli, Higgins and Bolton will play up the ground, however at this point it’s a tough call on who are the best combination

Steggles was great yesterday. Makes you wonder how he's a rookie and yet Bolton wasn't.
 
TigerForce said:
Steggles was great yesterday. Makes you wonder how he's a rookie and yet Bolton wasn't.
Reckon that’s an easy one TF, Stengles small, not quick and as his said, wasn’t a hard trainer and has always carried a couple of extra pounds, plus he has probably labelled as a small forward only at AFL level, as for Bolton he has all the athletic traits AFL recruiters love. Tough call if one will be any better then the other at the end of the day
 
Mr Brightside said:
Watched Butler and Stengle many times live an I know exactly what Butler ads to the team as I’ve said as a pure footballer I.e skills, smarts, tackling I prefer Stengle over Butler, you may not that’s your call.

One other thing re Butler which you see at the game live or on TV is the brain freezes, I probably sound a bit harsh on Butler, I don’t mind him as a player at all, I just think his got some real competition coming for his spot.

On Castagna there’s no doubt he had a few quiet games on the stats sheet last year, however like Butler and Rioli for that matter they were all part of a unit that won a premiership that did a stack of unseen stuff, the main thing that Castagna offers over Butler is in the air, fights well above his weight division in that area. I can understand others not rating Georgie overly highly before this year as his not a “ pretty” looking footballer but as you know he more then makes up for it and I’d guess would be the popular vote for most improved.

Bottom line is we have a small forward brigade that hasn’t ever been seen before, they have somewhat changed the game, thing is at this stage we can only play 3 , however in time I think the likes of Rioli, Higgins and Bolton will play up the ground, however at this point it’s a tough call on who are the best combination

I agree Stengle looks great at VFL level but its a massive jump up to AFL , Butler has proven he can do it at the highest level in the biggest games, He has had a few quite weeks of late but his pressure ,Run and effort has not declined and it will turn but currently there is a massive difference between the capabilities of the 2 players at the higher level and Butler will always have the speed and stamina advantage over stengle which is the only thing that will hold stengle back imo
 
turk-d-tiger said:
Sounds very similar to the comments about Castagna last year, If you think that Stengle is a better player than Butler i suggest you watch Butler live rather than television he does alot of work you dont get statts for or talked about
All that was said was that Butler has to perform because Stengle is looking good in the vfl. That’s true , whether he does or not is up to him.

Butler was great round 1, he has been ok since. That’s from watching him live.

You don’t have to do much wrong to be out of this team
 
On the Butler versus Stengel conundrum Butler just shades Stengel because he works to get to so many contests even though he may not get a stat his inferred pressure is huge. Stengel does not do that yet.
 
Mr Brightside said:
Watched Butler and Stengle many times live an I know exactly what Butler ads to the team as I’ve said as a pure footballer I.e skills, smarts, tackling I prefer Stengle over Butler, you may not that’s your call.

One other thing re Butler which you see at the game live or on TV is the brain freezes, I probably sound a bit harsh on Butler, I don’t mind him as a player at all, I just think his got some real competition coming for his spot.

One thing we do know is the coaches are prioritising something different to any of us. They don’t care about pure footballing ability or brain freezes as much as fans do.

As for Brandon, they’ve said contested ball is something he’s always working on. I interpret that as code for being more brave in physical moments, similar to a young Houli. I could be way off though.
 
His biggest problem is that he goes to ground too easy. It makes him so ineffective at winning contested footy. Needs to learn off Lablett.
 
I would argue that Stengel could replace Higgins. Similar types but I reckon Stengel is cleaner and has better skills. Butler going nowhere. One of our cleanest players with ball in hand. Rarely makes the wrong decision. Has become a little cute last couple of games but is a huge reason the ball is always locked in our fwd half.
 
123kid said:
One thing we do know is the coaches are prioritising something different to any of us. They don’t care about pure footballing ability or brain freezes as much as fans do.

As for Brandon, they’ve said contested ball is something he’s always working on. I interpret that as code for being more brave in physical moments, similar to a young Houli. I could be way off though.
I reckon you are spot on. His physical games this year has been pathetic. Playing scared again.
 
tigersnake said:
I said better not best. I've seen him take great contested marks under pressure, but he frustrates me because he can do but he doesn't do it enough.

True, you did - apologies.

I'd have him in our lower half of contested markers, but thats because I dont see him take them.
 
Tames said:
True, you did - apologies.

I'd have him in our lower half of contested markers, but thats because I dont see him take them.

100%. Hasn't taken one contested mark this year and was 20th average contested in 2017 and 25th in 2016. In fact career-wise he has taken 1 contested mark every 5 games.