SCOOP said:
Perhaps. My biggest concern with Brandon last year appeared to be his lack of pace and lack of finishing skills. That's why I'd b tempted to move him back. I'd like to see Yarran closer to goal.
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Brandon Ellis
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Perhaps. My biggest concern with Brandon last year appeared to be his lack of pace and lack of finishing skills. That's why I'd b tempted to move him back. I'd like to see Yarran closer to goal.
Tigers of Old said:
We need better kickers in the backhalf, takes the pressure off Houli, that's why we got Yarran.
I want to see a breakdown of touches by ground segment but my gut instinct is that Brandon got less ball in the back half in 2015. He needs to bursting the back 50 more. His rebound 50's almost halved in 2015 from 4.1 to 2.2. That suggests he is rolling the dice too often and the eyeball test support that stat.
His Effective Disposals % increased slightly and his clangers decreased ever so slightly as well. The rebound 50's are the big change in his game. Looks like he become the target for the outlet kick from the rebounder 50 and worked between the two 50 's mostly because his marks inside 50 and his goals stayed the same. Needs to push back harder into the 50 and become that link man on the way out. Yarran will Brandon heaps. Will get a lot less attention this year.
SCOOP said:
Cool. Here's hoping both can have an impact wherever they are used and both help each other out. The more players we have that we can swing around as needed the better.
Tigers of Old said:
Agree & that's on DImma to move the magnets more. We have a stack of options now and not many blokes who can't play a multiple role.
More like Hawthorn on this front. We've copied everything they've done so here's hoping this works too.
His kick rating dropped to average last year, which dropped from the year before after 2013 where he was rated an elite kick (+7.8%) by Champion Data. His retention rate also dropped last year from an average (2012-14) of 74.9% to 71.7% but his uncontested possessions went up to become the 4th highest of ALL midfielders at 19 per game. So I think your eyeball test Scoop is spot on. I think with a little more composure and with Yarran's inclusion, as you say, he will become a lot more effective. We all forget he is still just 22.SCOOP said:
The Mole said:
Interesting stats. Says to me he is becoming less effective as teams pay more attention.
Also suggests a watershed year. Needs to reverse the trend of the last two years. If he doesn't there are faster and more damaging kids developing who could take his place.
lamb22 said:
Enlighten me lamby because I ain't seeing them coming. A few with potential due to draft position and fast running but nothing to make me think Ellis's place in the 22 is at risk.
Both he and Flossy have been very good recruits. With recent additions to the list they may end up playing different roles this season. it will be interesting to see what happens, Brandon has the tank to be a run with player and i wouldn't mind seeing Flossy move into the midfield.
I like Brandon, but he has gone backwards a bit. Had a few swigs of his own bathwater I reckon. Aside from that, he can panic a bit which worries me at times, suggests he might not reach the heights we'd hoped, classy players don't panic, but he might, and if he doesn't he will be and already is a good player.
but the line between winning flags and finishing top 4 or 6 is so fine, we really need him to step up a bit.
but the line between winning flags and finishing top 4 or 6 is so fine, we really need him to step up a bit.
The Mole said:
So long as he irons out his weaknesses Brandon will have an excellent career, but he just doesn't have the footskills of Gaff to get into his league for leysy.
jb03 said:
Absolutely, hands on hips and huffing and puffing and 20 seconds later if the opposition turn the ball over he's running full pelt to receive. Talented but would drive the coaches nuts with his one way running. This is the year he needs to add hard running the other way to his game or they should trade him as he has significant value but will go missing in finals and tough games as he gets manned up unless he improves. At the moment a good player in a good side but lets you down when the going gets tough.
Big Tiger said:
Yeah, the demonstrative signs of exhaustion are a bit 'look at me coach' I reckon. Doesn't really convince. I know its an extreme example, but when cuz was exhausted he looked like he was about to drop dead, you could tell he was absolutely stuffed, nothing left in the tank.
Dont get me wrong. Ellis can be a very valuable asset to our side.
His tank is a huge plus and although he could run back harder more I think Richmond likes to use his running to create an outlet from defence.
His workrate is not a real issue of concern for me.
However if he is used as an outlet he needs to have a hurt factor. 19 uncontested possessions a game is a testament to his running but his slow decline in effectiveness is a worry.
His problem is a lack of a yard and his willingness to kick rather than link which often means an up an under on his left or a scrubby kick forward.
Now an up and under 40 metres downfield to a contest is most likely an effective possession but not the most effective ball use if you follow me.
His kicking with time and space can in fact hurt you so Richmond need to work out how to best use him.
With Yarran coming on board and if Broad comes good as a running back you've got a log jam of players who can play his outside role Kmac, Houli, Martin, Lennon, C Ellis, Menadue, Short, Butler, Markov, Marcon, Grigg and of course Beanie. ;D
His tank is a huge plus and although he could run back harder more I think Richmond likes to use his running to create an outlet from defence.
His workrate is not a real issue of concern for me.
However if he is used as an outlet he needs to have a hurt factor. 19 uncontested possessions a game is a testament to his running but his slow decline in effectiveness is a worry.
His problem is a lack of a yard and his willingness to kick rather than link which often means an up an under on his left or a scrubby kick forward.
Now an up and under 40 metres downfield to a contest is most likely an effective possession but not the most effective ball use if you follow me.
His kicking with time and space can in fact hurt you so Richmond need to work out how to best use him.
With Yarran coming on board and if Broad comes good as a running back you've got a log jam of players who can play his outside role Kmac, Houli, Martin, Lennon, C Ellis, Menadue, Short, Butler, Markov, Marcon, Grigg and of course Beanie. ;D
Stats are not the be all I know but when you look at Brandon's breakout 2014, it was very similar to 2015 - so not sure he has declined in effectiveness. And his game went to another level from 2013 to 2014, so not sure we want the 2013 version back as you allude to Lamb22.
2015
Total Disposals 32nd in the League (our 2nd), Martin our best at 31st - both around 25
Effective Disposals he was our 1st at 30th in the League, Houli our 2nd
Contested Possessions did not rank in the Top100 - our Club had the average of 5 player in the Top100 (Cotch, Miles, Titch, Martin & Lids in that order)
Uncontested Possessions he was 6th in the League and our Clubs best, Martin next, then Houli and Hunt.
Clangers saw him 61st, our 3rd behind Cotch and 3rd in the League was Martin.
Brandon tackled more in 2015, increasing his total by 20 (1 per game increase) but did not appear in the Leagues top100, but then neither did anyone else from Richmond except Grigg at 95th.
Brandon Marked more in 2015, 37th in League and our 1st ahead of Jack and Chappy.
I think, and would understand people having memories back to our last Elim, but his game stunk. Perhaps these comments are more based on those residual feelings than seeing what information backs up the critical comments like 'watershed year needed' and 'gone backwards'.
This is just his fifth season coming up - played 88 games, he is doing very, very well. Just as young mids stuggle with new found attention after a break out year, so do running players. You can bet he is being tutored to go to the next level, and if he does, wow what a player!
2015
Total Disposals 32nd in the League (our 2nd), Martin our best at 31st - both around 25
Effective Disposals he was our 1st at 30th in the League, Houli our 2nd
Contested Possessions did not rank in the Top100 - our Club had the average of 5 player in the Top100 (Cotch, Miles, Titch, Martin & Lids in that order)
Uncontested Possessions he was 6th in the League and our Clubs best, Martin next, then Houli and Hunt.
Clangers saw him 61st, our 3rd behind Cotch and 3rd in the League was Martin.
Brandon tackled more in 2015, increasing his total by 20 (1 per game increase) but did not appear in the Leagues top100, but then neither did anyone else from Richmond except Grigg at 95th.
Brandon Marked more in 2015, 37th in League and our 1st ahead of Jack and Chappy.
I think, and would understand people having memories back to our last Elim, but his game stunk. Perhaps these comments are more based on those residual feelings than seeing what information backs up the critical comments like 'watershed year needed' and 'gone backwards'.
This is just his fifth season coming up - played 88 games, he is doing very, very well. Just as young mids stuggle with new found attention after a break out year, so do running players. You can bet he is being tutored to go to the next level, and if he does, wow what a player!
Fair points, DLR.
With the interchange cap likely to reduce further in coming years, bench players will need to spend longer periods both on and off the ground, eg. instead of two two-minute spells on the bench and 2x3 minutes on the ground every 10 minutes, it might be four off, six on, in one spell each. A bloke like Brando who can run hard for six minutes will be a pretty valuable bench player, at least. He just might lose first use of the wing to Menadue in a year or three.
With the interchange cap likely to reduce further in coming years, bench players will need to spend longer periods both on and off the ground, eg. instead of two two-minute spells on the bench and 2x3 minutes on the ground every 10 minutes, it might be four off, six on, in one spell each. A bloke like Brando who can run hard for six minutes will be a pretty valuable bench player, at least. He just might lose first use of the wing to Menadue in a year or three.
