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Disco08 said:
Didnt show much? Poor output?
He must have showed something for Sydney to offer him a 1 million dollar contract & trade pick 28 for him.
Lets see what Gus fetches in comparison come end of year.
Leysy Days said:
Sydney have an excellent eye for developing talent, they can spot a bargain a mile away.
Leysy Days said:
Yep he actually showed a lot in his final year at Geelong, but Geelong couldn't keep him because they had whatshisname contracted for the following year. IIRC he was always competitive he just struggled to get fit, he got fit in his final year at Geelong (when he was 23 I guess) and started to show what he could do.
14 hitouts and 12 touches a game, over 17 games. As Bullus says, Sydney can pick them. If Geelong had any inkling that he'd become as good as he has they would never have considered trading him, would they? Also, a $1M contract over 4 years isn't huge money, is it? Geelong could have matched that had they so desired. And 28 seems about right given the price rucks fetch generally.
Disco08 said:
It would be fantastic for the club if Graham improved to a Mumford standard, but it would be highly unlikely in my opinion.
In fact I would say there are a lot of reasons why he won't.
As others have posted, Mumford had fitness and injury issues. On the plus side though he always had fantastic strength and agility, as well as a combative approach to the ruck.
Mumford became elite because he some elite attributes.
Even Graham's most ardent fans would struggle to pick out anything in his kit bag that is even remotely elite.
So while I agree that talls and ruck men need extra time to develop, they also need to show some glimpses that they are on the right track. IMO Graham hasn't done anything of the sort.
Yeah maybe. He's had some pretty good games for a ruckman of his age and experience. If he developed Mumford's strength and "combative approach" he'd be a completely different player. Could happen but I agree it seems very unlikely.
If Geelong had offered the same money (not a fortune) as the Swans were he would have stayed. At least that's what Balme intimated at the time.
Good point about him playing second fiddle to Blake most of the year too. That definitely makes those stats better. It also shows the esteem Geelong held him in at the time.
Uncle said:
If Geelong had offered the same money (not a fortune) as the Swans were he would have stayed. At least that's what Balme intimated at the time.
Good point about him playing second fiddle to Blake most of the year too. That definitely makes those stats better. It also shows the esteem Geelong held him in at the time.
At the time Geelong wanted to keep him, they just couldn't match Sydney's offer.
As for his stats in his final year at Geelong well they don't read as elite but I remember the commentary on him at the time and there were a lot of wraps on him.
As for his stats in his final year at Geelong well they don't read as elite but I remember the commentary on him at the time and there were a lot of wraps on him.
Disco08 said:
Yes there are actually. Graham V Mumford is a laughable comparison to make.
But if there is no reason as you say (surely some clubs will see that as well) it will be interesting to see what interest Graham attracts come end of year. 4 year deal coming up?
Disco08 said:
Over $250K a year for a rookie listed ruckman is a lot of unplanned money on your salary cap at the end of year when you have Geelongs list. They would have been rightly bulging.
They were blindsided at the end of season & as Balme said at the time simply couldnt match it, so wanting to keep him had very little bearing on the matter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/geelongs-shane-mumford-agrees-to-million-dollar-deal/story-e6frf9jf-1225784337156
josey said:
I agree that Gus has shown very few elite skills over the last few years.
But I do remember being at Punt Road when they had an open day and Gus had just been signed. He looked very mobile and agile and also reasonably good kicking skills. At one stage they ran a series of sprint laps and Gus was in a group that included Richo. By the time they were finishing Richo was giving it everything to beat this new rookie over the line. Wonder if others remember this?
The Swans are always prepared to give up something of value to get players. Mumford was a rookie-listed player and they gave up a second round draft pick, number 28, without too much argument. By contrast, a year or so later, St Kilda and Collingwood haggled over pick 30 for Luke Ball and he had been a Captain at St Kilda.
Geelong were well-looked after in that deal.
Nonetheless, I hope Angus remains a dominant force in the VFL for the next 3 or 4 months.
Geelong were well-looked after in that deal.
Nonetheless, I hope Angus remains a dominant force in the VFL for the next 3 or 4 months.
