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2024 Training With The Ooze Crew
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I didn't realise we were not using the corridor enough. Depends on how the opposition defends the corridor too. Maybe leading out wide is often the only option. I've seen us move it into the corridor from the back flank and wings so does he mean he's going to change that? Bit risky to play down the corridor from full back! Anyway why would Yze advertise our game plan? Once we start playing a few matches it will be clear what we are trying to do I guess.
Hate to come in and stand up for Dud Delist.
Taking the players being debated away, disposal efficiency is a very poor way to determine foot skills.
As David King says "The most overrated stat and most overused stat in the history of any reporting regarding AFL footy is kicking efficiency.
The two best field kicks Leysy's seen in the past two decades are Chimp and Dusty.
Because they:
1) Win the ball under pressure with blokes hanging off them (Especially Chimp)
2) Despite that, try to hit difficult, yet high gain targets
Their disposal efficiency was always low, despite them being far better field kicks than many peers who take the easy sideways option under no pressure.
If you are going to use stats for the best kicks, you need to add the layers of contested possessions, metres gained and score involvements to disposal efficiency.
Decent article here:
www.abc.net.au
Otherwise, disposal efficiency is meaningless (and as King says, overrated and overused).
Taking the players being debated away, disposal efficiency is a very poor way to determine foot skills.
As David King says "The most overrated stat and most overused stat in the history of any reporting regarding AFL footy is kicking efficiency.
The two best field kicks Leysy's seen in the past two decades are Chimp and Dusty.
Because they:
1) Win the ball under pressure with blokes hanging off them (Especially Chimp)
2) Despite that, try to hit difficult, yet high gain targets
Their disposal efficiency was always low, despite them being far better field kicks than many peers who take the easy sideways option under no pressure.
If you are going to use stats for the best kicks, you need to add the layers of contested possessions, metres gained and score involvements to disposal efficiency.
Decent article here:
It's an age-old question: What makes a good kick in the AFL?
What constitutes an effective or ineffective kick has been discussed for years, but one data scientist thinks he may have unlocked the next evolution of settling this debate, write Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.
www.abc.net.au
Otherwise, disposal efficiency is meaningless (and as King says, overrated and overused).
This is all true, the reason i used the stats i did is to show that Ross & Graham are better than ave kicks statistically. Using just our eyes of course you'd prefer Dusty kicking I50 for example but he does miss some easy kicks as well, every player in the comp does it.Hate to come in and stand up for Dud Delist.
Taking the players being debated away, disposal efficiency is a very poor way to determine foot skills.
As David King says "The most overrated stat and most overused stat in the history of any reporting regarding AFL footy is kicking efficiency.
The two best field kicks Leysy's seen in the past two decades are Chimp and Dusty.
Because they:
1) Win the ball under pressure with blokes hanging off them (Especially Chimp)
2) Despite that, try to hit difficult, yet high gain targets
Their disposal efficiency was always low, despite them being far better field kicks than many peers who take the easy sideways option under no pressure.
If you are going to use stats for the best kicks, you need to add the layers of contested possessions, metres gained and score involvements to disposal efficiency.
Decent article here:
It's an age-old question: What makes a good kick in the AFL?
What constitutes an effective or ineffective kick has been discussed for years, but one data scientist thinks he may have unlocked the next evolution of settling this debate, write Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.
Otherwise, disposal efficiency is meaningless (and as King says, overrated and overused).
How Rome burned, made of stone and concrete, is still a big mystery to me!
I’m not going to join the kicking debate but will point out that I too worked as an analyst for a major financial institution and know how easily stats can be manipulated to get the outcome you’re looking for.
What constitutes a particular stat, what parameters are set before something is considered an outlier and which stats you choose to use all impact the final narrative as to what is/isn’t working.
As a result I always have a smile when I hear someone say I’m 100% right because the stats says I am.
What constitutes a particular stat, what parameters are set before something is considered an outlier and which stats you choose to use all impact the final narrative as to what is/isn’t working.
As a result I always have a smile when I hear someone say I’m 100% right because the stats says I am.
Good post, great link.Hate to come in and stand up for Dud Delist.
Taking the players being debated away, disposal efficiency is a very poor way to determine foot skills.
As David King says "The most overrated stat and most overused stat in the history of any reporting regarding AFL footy is kicking efficiency.
The two best field kicks Leysy's seen in the past two decades are Chimp and Dusty.
Because they:
1) Win the ball under pressure with blokes hanging off them (Especially Chimp)
2) Despite that, try to hit difficult, yet high gain targets
Their disposal efficiency was always low, despite them being far better field kicks than many peers who take the easy sideways option under no pressure.
If you are going to use stats for the best kicks, you need to add the layers of contested possessions, metres gained and score involvements to disposal efficiency.
Decent article here:
It's an age-old question: What makes a good kick in the AFL?
What constitutes an effective or ineffective kick has been discussed for years, but one data scientist thinks he may have unlocked the next evolution of settling this debate, write Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.
Otherwise, disposal efficiency is meaningless (and as King says, overrated and overused).
The comments about tensions between clubs and Champion Data near the end were interesting. I think CD’s detailed stats have been found wanting in recent years and this was never more evident than their inability to capture our dominance from 2017-2020 in their numbers. Of course, they have a cosy little exclusivity arrangement with the AFL and therefore no real incentive to improve.
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Fortunately the change of coach slightly improved our performance to the extent that hovered out of the 8 on percentage and the debutants joined the side late in the year.
Mini was ultra conservative, young player careers stalled. Brown and Bauer had a couple of injuries to deal with. But showed promise. As did Tresize.
Who gets the axe under Yze?
On paper Hopper, Tarranto, Prestia, Dusty, Bolton had OK years but we go back as a team.
I hope for a fwd line with Lynch, Kosi/KPF then Bauer/Cumberland type. Then a couple of good small fwds. Baker/Spnsie/Clarke
Wings of Ross/Pickett/Short/Banks
True but at the end of the day on average we fielded the 3rd oldest team per week and finished 13th. That’s close to diabolical in my opinion. An example.. Instead of playing Pickett as the pseudo key forward, we should’ve been playing Bauer (when not injured), Samson, Cumberland, anyone who is actually a forward. McIntosh was gifted games, Grimes, whilst captain so potentially harder to drop, was gifted games. I recall a game where Grimes gave away 3 goals purely through stupid acts, like handballing out of bounds. We definitely had players to come in for those two mentioned (Banks, Brown, Trezise etc). Nothing should be sacred next year.
the make up of the small forwards will be interesting. People have earmarked Dow to replace cotchin but the reality is cotchin played forward most games this year so I’d prefer a Juddy type to replace him rather than another pure mid. Get some more speed and class up forward
Open training tomorrow arvo so guessing that will probably be the last session for the year
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Don't forget JR8: sublime off both feet when required to kick into a congested F50 hotspot.
No I spoke to one of the fitness staff today and he said Thursday would be their last session.
Training Today Monday 18th:
Sleigh Bells were ringing but not everyone was singing
Matty Coulthard : What potentially looked to be maybe either a bad hammy or even a knee? Anyway the incident was non contact but when he jumped at a ball when he hit the ground he jarred something and immediately pulled up, I thought maybe hammy as he was sort of reaching in that direction then when he tried to walk his leg kind of buckled. He was assisted off the ground by two trainers and was getting a pat on the head by a couple of support staff and a few players as he was taken into the sheds.
Back to Training, some Top End talent absent today, (Shai, Dusty & DRioli), so you immediately notice the lack of pizzazz.
I was a bit downcast, but there was plenty of banter and energy amongst the group and they seem to be enjoying early life under Yze, I expect a more attacking style of play, (maybe a bit of Angeball?), whether or not it gets us wins.
Hopefully I am a bit more upbeat after their final session Thursday.
Sleigh Bells were ringing but not everyone was singing
Matty Coulthard : What potentially looked to be maybe either a bad hammy or even a knee? Anyway the incident was non contact but when he jumped at a ball when he hit the ground he jarred something and immediately pulled up, I thought maybe hammy as he was sort of reaching in that direction then when he tried to walk his leg kind of buckled. He was assisted off the ground by two trainers and was getting a pat on the head by a couple of support staff and a few players as he was taken into the sheds.
Back to Training, some Top End talent absent today, (Shai, Dusty & DRioli), so you immediately notice the lack of pizzazz.
I was a bit downcast, but there was plenty of banter and energy amongst the group and they seem to be enjoying early life under Yze, I expect a more attacking style of play, (maybe a bit of Angeball?), whether or not it gets us wins.
Hopefully I am a bit more upbeat after their final session Thursday.
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Tough calls were not made by either coach last year. Was a big problem. I get why it happened but still a shame.
Both cotch and Edwards (2022) got half carried that last little bit to 300 with just some snippets of their brilliance.
It was the popular decision for sure.
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