2024 Training With The Ooze Crew

[DuD_Delist]

You can shift the goal posts as much as you like by using the above hyperbole, that's only making you look childish.

You may not rate with Graham or Ross and that's fine but to say they're poor kicks is objectively wrong.

The rationale of "I've seen them miss kicks" is nothing short of comical - if that is your factual threshold of evidence then every single player in the AFL is a rubbish kick.

Are Graham and Ross superstars? No
Are Graham and Ross bad kicks? No.

Both statements can be true.

First of all champ.You were the one who put out the stat which it says ELITE. Have a go at me all you like but your looking like a Hyprocrite by doing it.
Secondly you can't be serious believing Ross & Graham are in the the same Elite class as Dusty.lol.Thats 3 out 4 kicks hit their target and as i eluded too previously.Stats can be misleading.
But by all means throw all the stats you like at me i prefer to look with my own eyes as proof.

 

[DuD_Delist]

FWIW Ross & Graham are 5th & 6th for disp eff % at Richmond.

And the coach wants us to play through the corridor.
Dusty & Shai will be busy for it too succeed

 

[Scoop]

Both Tom Gross and Jagga Smith are small fellas. In an AFL era when a small mid is 185cm, these two are at 181 / 180 respectively. Both a great junior players but the age old question of how it will translate to AFL will linger.

Liam Baker, Zac Butters, Taylor Adams, Daicos boys, Will Ashcroft, Stephen Conligio, George Wardlow, Colby McKerker and on and on and on.

Non issue, you good enough, you get a spot. Both will get AFL spots and fill needs we have. Still.

 

[Sintiger]

Running ability is Banks strong suit.

Getting across th ground on a wing is the least of his worries.

Winning more one on ones and tidying up disposal are his biggest focus areas

Absolutely nothing wrong with Banks’ disposal Leysy, got a great leg on him.
He had the issue when he went into the AFL that a lot of young players have which is because of the extra pressure they tend to rush kicks and sometimes make poor decisions. That’s just experience.

 

[Don’t Argue]

Running ability is Banks strong suit.

Getting across th ground on a wing is the least of his worries.

Winning more one on ones and tidying up disposal are his biggest focus areas ILO

Nothing wrong with Banks running ability but comparing him to one of the best runners in the AFL is a stretch.
I’ve watched Langdon from the time he was U/10s at Glen Iris JFC and he was always elite. Tank and speed.
Banks will only get better in this area but not sure where the comparison comes from?

 

[Sintiger]

Nothing wrong with Banks running ability but comparing him to one of the best runners in the AFL is a stretch.
I’ve watched Langdon from the time he was U/10s at Glen Iris JFC and he was always elite. Tank and speed.
Banks will only get better in this area but not sure where the comparison comes from?

You are going too far with the comparison DA. All I said was been Banks was potentially a modern style winger in the style of Langdon.

Never said he could run as well as him or that he was an elite runner, just that Langdon is the modern style winger and Banks has the potential to play that way too.

 

[Roksman]

First of all champ.You were the one who put out the stat which it says ELITE. Have a go at me all you like but your looking like a Hyprocrite by doing it.
Secondly you can't be serious believing Ross & Graham are in the the same Elite class as Dusty.lol.Thats 3 out 4 kicks hit their target and as i eluded too previously.Stats can be misleading.
But by all means throw all the stats you like at me i prefer to look with my own eyes as proof.

Oh no, I've been "Champ'd"... FWIW I've worked in data analysis for 15 years in a major financial institution, so this isn't going to end well for you.

See, what I did was provide a dataset over an entire year, without removing or filtering any anomalies to manipulate a narrative for my own gain - it was "clean" data - capturing their entire data output of 2023.

You on the other hand actually managed to do something I've never seen before which was using metadata of metadata (and that's being kind) of an opinion "I've seen them miss kicks" to create a narrative based on "stats can be misleading".

You did this by framing your response on a semantic title of "elite" to straw man the argument to Dustin Martin - you must use Facebook if this is your tactic in discourse.

Let's entertain that argument for fun and take AWAY 10% efficiency from both Ross and Graham because, you know, stats can be misleading. Now I'm giving you 10% efficiency for no reason - that would push their semantic title to "Above average". Now, unfortunately you, this can't be straw manned into Dustin Martin but yet, your claim of them being *smile* kicks is still objectively incorrect! That's quite an achievement to still be objectively incorrect after I voluntarily amended the data 10% to help you.

Now, it's ok to be wrong mate. Just stop with the *smile* arguments to appease your ego. We all wrong at times- even me!!!

They aren't *smile* kicks, you just don't like them, that's fine. The only person who said they were the same as Dusty was you because you had to straw man the argument using the cheapest form of metadata - a title.

 

[Flea74]

Oh no, I've been "Champ'd"... FWIW I've worked in data analysis for 15 years in a major financial institution, so this isn't going to end well for you.

See, what I did was provide a dataset over an entire year, without removing or filtering any anomalies to manipulate a narrative for my own gain - it was "clean" data - capturing their entire data output of 2023.

You on the other hand actually managed to do something I've never seen before which was using metadata of metadata (and that's being kind) of an opinion "I've seen them miss kicks" to create a narrative based on "stats can be misleading".

You did this by framing your response on a semantic title of "elite" to straw man the argument to Dustin Martin - you must use Facebook if this is your tactic in discourse.

Let's entertain that argument for fun and take AWAY 10% efficiency from both Ross and Graham because, you know, stats can be misleading. Now I'm giving you 10% efficiency for no reason - that would push their semantic title to "Above average". Now, unfortunately you, this can't be straw manned into Dustin Martin but yet, your claim of them being *smile* kicks is still objectively incorrect! That's quite an achievement to still be objectively incorrect after I voluntarily amended the data 10% to help you.

Now, it's ok to be wrong mate. Just stop with the *smile* arguments to appease your ego. We all wrong at times- even me!!!

They aren't *smile* kicks, you just don't like them, that's fine. The only person who said they were the same as Dusty was you because you had to straw man the argument using the cheapest form of metadata - a title.

... always enjoy a well thought out response by someone who has been "champ'd"!... thanks again for your views here Roksman. I'm confident Fridge appreciates those of us that love to see him with ball in hand with the last kick going inside 50!
... and for those like me initially confused with "straw man"... https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/straw-man-fallacy/

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

You are going too far with the comparison DA. All I said was been Banks was potentially a modern style winger in the style of Langdon.

Never said he could run as well as him or that he was an elite runner, just that Langdon is the modern style winger and Banks has the potential to play that way too.

If we are trying to get our kids to 'Langdon style' then we should shut down our list management department.
Langdon besides his running ability is a dud. Probably the worst kick at Melbourne and even worse decision maker.
God help us Banks dosent become anything like Langdon.

 

[Stylo]

Oh no, I've been "Champ'd"... FWIW I've worked in data analysis for 15 years in a major financial institution, so this isn't going to end well for you.

See, what I did was provide a dataset over an entire year, without removing or filtering any anomalies to manipulate a narrative for my own gain - it was "clean" data - capturing their entire data output of 2023.

You on the other hand actually managed to do something I've never seen before which was using metadata of metadata (and that's being kind) of an opinion "I've seen them miss kicks" to create a narrative based on "stats can be misleading".

You did this by framing your response on a semantic title of "elite" to straw man the argument to Dustin Martin - you must use Facebook if this is your tactic in discourse.

Let's entertain that argument for fun and take AWAY 10% efficiency from both Ross and Graham because, you know, stats can be misleading. Now I'm giving you 10% efficiency for no reason - that would push their semantic title to "Above average". Now, unfortunately you, this can't be straw manned into Dustin Martin but yet, your claim of them being *smile* kicks is still objectively incorrect! That's quite an achievement to still be objectively incorrect after I voluntarily amended the data 10% to help you.

Now, it's ok to be wrong mate. Just stop with the *smile* arguments to appease your ego. We all wrong at times- even me!!!

They aren't *smile* kicks, you just don't like them, that's fine. The only person who said they were the same as Dusty was you because you had to straw man the argument using the cheapest form of metadata - a title.

 

[Sintiger]

If we are trying to get our kids to 'Langdon style' then we should shut down our list management department.
Langdon besides his running ability is a dud. Probably the worst kick at Melbourne and even worse decision maker.
God help us Banks dosent become anything like Langdon.

He is a good winger Zips, played a very key role in their 21 flag.

 

[DeathNinthandTaxes]

... always enjoy a well thought out response by someone who has been "champ'd"!... thanks again for your views here Roksman. I'm confident Fridge appreciates those of us that love to see him with ball in hand with the last kick going inside 50!
... and for those like me initially confused with "straw man"... https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/straw-man-fallacy/

Thanks for the scribbr link. Interesting the example they used was 'the war on Christmas' which has just been rehashed on another thread here!

 

[Jonesracing82]

First of all champ.You were the one who put out the stat which it says ELITE. Have a go at me all you like but your looking like a Hyprocrite by doing it.
Secondly you can't be serious believing Ross & Graham are in the the same Elite class as Dusty.lol.Thats 3 out 4 kicks hit their target and as i eluded too previously.Stats can be misleading.
But by all means throw all the stats you like at me i prefer to look with my own eyes as proof.

How can u be so sure to be correct without checking the relevant stats to see?

 

[The_General]

First of all champ.You were the one who put out the stat which it says ELITE. Have a go at me all you like but your looking like a Hyprocrite by doing it.
Secondly you can't be serious believing Ross & Graham are in the the same Elite class as Dusty.lol.Thats 3 out 4 kicks hit their target and as i eluded too previously.Stats can be misleading.
But by all means throw all the stats you like at me i prefer to look with my own eyes as proof.

Their performance in kicking efficiency is amongst the upper echelons in the league, hence they are in the elite.
It doesn't mean they're kicking 65m laser pointed bullet passes as entries inside 50 every time they have the ball. Bit it does indicate when it touches their foot it usually ends with their team mate.
I'm really not sure how you can argue with these stats in such a blinkered way. Throwing in a champ just made this extra amusing.

 

[Ghost of 29]

yep, i agree with you. i know mcintosh and pickett have generally played that defensive wing role under Dimma, but id love to see us be more attacking with our wingmen and also play better users. marlion isnt bad but kamdyn is a poor kick. the amount of inside 50 kicks kamdyn has butchered will be interesting to see who plays there, and their roles, also considering we are training more corridor footy

Geez u seem to be dismissing KMac a bit too easily in favour of a kid who has had an okay VFL career but not much else. KMacs running ability far outstrips Banks by a very long way, as does Marlion.

If we are trying to get our kids to 'Langdon style' then we should shut down our list management department.
Langdon besides his running ability is a dud. Probably the worst kick at Melbourne and even worse decision maker.
God help us Banks dosent become anything like Langdon.

was speaking with a player manager after Dees got beaten by Blooze in the finals. Langdon was the weak link when the pressure was on. Blake Acres dominated him especially in the air. This manager said clubs will look at that as a template for wingers. Guys that can run (obviously) but who have other tricks like being a marking option.

 

[Sintiger]

Geez u seem to be dismissing KMac a bit too easily in favour of a kid who has had an okay VFL career but not much else. KMacs running ability far outstrips Banks by a very long way, as does Marlion.

There seems to be posters who have taken commentary that Sam Banks is a promising winger as saying he is the reincarnation of Robbie Flower.

Banks is promising, he has a lot of traits that look like they could make him a decent winger. He is young and will develop more.

That’s it.

 

[Ghost of 29]

There seems to be posters who have taken commentary that Sam Banks is a promising winger as saying he is the reincarnation of Robbie Flower.

Banks is promising, he has a lot of traits that look like they could make him a decent winger. He is young and will develop more.

That’s it.

My point was more about the dismissing of KMac rather than the hype around Banks.
Have spent a few games just watching how insane Kmacs work rate is and by extension how important he is to the team. If Banks could be anywhere near as good as KMac the team will be in good shape

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Oh no, I've been "Champ'd"... FWIW I've worked in data analysis for 15 years in a major financial institution, so this isn't going to end well for you.

See, what I did was provide a dataset over an entire year, without removing or filtering any anomalies to manipulate a narrative for my own gain - it was "clean" data - capturing their entire data output of 2023.

You on the other hand actually managed to do something I've never seen before which was using metadata of metadata (and that's being kind) of an opinion "I've seen them miss kicks" to create a narrative based on "stats can be misleading".

You did this by framing your response on a semantic title of "elite" to straw man the argument to Dustin Martin - you must use Facebook if this is your tactic in discourse.

Let's entertain that argument for fun and take AWAY 10% efficiency from both Ross and Graham because, you know, stats can be misleading. Now I'm giving you 10% efficiency for no reason - that would push their semantic title to "Above average". Now, unfortunately you, this can't be straw manned into Dustin Martin but yet, your claim of them being *smile* kicks is still objectively incorrect! That's quite an achievement to still be objectively incorrect after I voluntarily amended the data 10% to help you.

Now, it's ok to be wrong mate. Just stop with the *smile* arguments to appease your ego. We all wrong at times- even me!!!

They aren't *smile* kicks, you just don't like them, that's fine. The only person who said they were the same as Dusty was you because you had to straw man the argument using the cheapest form of metadata - a title.

Sorry dont want to be rude but - What are you saying
for people like me that dont have a clue about the Meta , clean data stuff


you know give it to us in "Richmond Rnglish"

 

[DuD_Delist]

Oh no, I've been "Champ'd"... FWIW I've worked in data analysis for 15 years in a major financial institution, so this isn't going to end well for you.

See, what I did was provide a dataset over an entire year, without removing or filtering any anomalies to manipulate a narrative for my own gain - it was "clean" data - capturing their entire data output of 2023.

You on the other hand actually managed to do something I've never seen before which was using metadata of metadata (and that's being kind) of an opinion "I've seen them miss kicks" to create a narrative based on "stats can be misleading".

You did this by framing your response on a semantic title of "elite" to straw man the argument to Dustin Martin - you must use Facebook if this is your tactic in discourse.

Let's entertain that argument for fun and take AWAY 10% efficiency from both Ross and Graham because, you know, stats can be misleading. Now I'm giving you 10% efficiency for no reason - that would push their semantic title to "Above average". Now, unfortunately you, this can't be straw manned into Dustin Martin but yet, your claim of them being *smile* kicks is still objectively incorrect! That's quite an achievement to still be objectively incorrect after I voluntarily amended the data 10% to help you.

Now, it's ok to be wrong mate. Just stop with the *smile* arguments to appease your ego. We all wrong at times- even me!!!

They aren't *smile* kicks, you just don't like them, that's fine. The only person who said they were the same as Dusty was you because you had to straw man the argument using the cheapest form of metadata - a title.

Good god i've lectured by a data collector(Work in joke) on something that has nothing to do with the ball getting from A to B.
Fact of the matter is mate.I use what god gave me.Eyes.
Yze has stated we will use the corridor.
Simple question who would you rather deliver through the corridor.Dusty or Shai or Graham/Ross and i'll even chuck in Tarranto for good measure.
Oh and btw i like every player who pulls on our jumper so don't assume i don't like Graham & Ross.They have other attributes i do like.Just not their disposal by foot.

 

[DuD_Delist]

How can u be so sure to be correct without checking the relevant stats to see?

How can one be sure.Its called your eyes.
Don't need stats too tell me whos great with ball in hand and who's not.