2024 Draft Thread

[tigertime2]

I haven't seen the softness some people have mentioned. He’s never shied away from physicality, whether it's going up for a contested mark or battling in the ruck when I've seen him live. However, I have noted a lack of awareness at times, where he seems to miss incoming contact. I suspect this might be due to his later start in football, having played basketball until 15. Despite his size, Sims is surprisingly agile and transitions smoothly from aerial contests to ground ball play. He's a more dynamic athlete than Wright and possesses a stronger ground game then 2 metre.

That is a good analogy.
He seemed not aware of a few situations where he stood back and watched rather than instinctively knowing he had to go and impact the contest.
His agility testing for a guy his size shows he can move.

 

[Sintiger]

Scully would have played 200+ if not for his ankle injury

Scully was a pretty good player and would have been better if not for his injuries.
He suffers because he is compared with one of the all time greats picked after him.

 

[bullus_hit]

Bully if we can get a forward who can kick 40 goals a year,why play him in the ruck ,l would rather get a genuine ruck who is good resting forward.

How many rucks can kick 40 goals? Grundy & Sean Darcy can't, Sam Darcy probably can and is the type of player I'm looking at. I think if we're dismissing players at Tippett or Wright levels then we're probably never going to land a key forward unless one falls into the lap courtesy of finishing in the bottom 4 next year and beyond.

 

[btoz_01]

That's why Schache never had an AFL career. A big guy with no mongrel or desire for contact ain't much good in the AFL. You cannot prefer to avoid contact if you are 195 plus. Darcy is slight but he does not shy away from going at the contested ball in the air.

You can get away with it at the lower levels but it's not something that is super teachable/learnable. Otherwise the likes of Schache/Vickery etc would have had long AFL careers.

All that applies to our very own Delilah
Doesnt look like he likes contact and must push himself to be competitive theres nothing natural about it
When it cones to talls they must like to compete

 

[MD Jazz]

All that applies to our very own Delilah
Doesnt look like he likes contact and must push himself to be competitive theres nothing natural about it
When it cones to talls they must like to compete

You might be on to something, although I have never seen him really shirk contact. Fact is he does not have the core strength to make and hold position in the contest as yet. I'm willing to give Samson more time. But I want to see improvement this year. He's a ruck first and foremost, that can rest forward not the other way around.

Gawn was never really one to embrace contact until he got super fit and developed some strength. It's still an area that opposition teams sometimes target (not that I think Gawn is in any way soft personally - he's a gun).

 

[Sintiger]

How many rucks can kick 40 goals? Grundy & Sean Darcy can't, Sam Darcy probably can and is the type of player I'm looking at. I think if we're dismissing players at Tippett or Wright levels then we're probably never going to land a key forward unless one falls into the lap courtesy of finishing in the bottom 4 next year and beyond.

Darcy is an outlier you would think. 210 cm mobile ruck/forwards don’t grow on trees unfortunately. He is going to dominate for a decade imo.

I would like us to take two KPFs and maybe a ruck over this draft and 2025. A lot of pundits have us taking the young SA ruck this year but not many on here are saying it. I understand why, apart from Melbourne with Gawn no premiership has come from a team with a dominant ruckman for a long time and it seems to be a position that can be plugged in other ways.

 

[bullus_hit]

That's why Schache never had an AFL career. A big guy with no mongrel or desire for contact ain't much good in the AFL. You cannot prefer to avoid contact if you are 195 plus. Darcy is slight but he does not shy away from going at the contested ball in the air.

You can get away with it at the lower levels but it's not something that is super teachable/learnable. Otherwise the likes of Schache/Vickery etc would have had long AFL careers.

I'm no expert having only put time into the state carnival but his Coates performances look ok on paper. Maybe Scoop can help out here because my eyes don't see a Vickery or Schache, I see a Larkey type skill set & that's why I'm keen. With these 200cm forwards there isn't really a groundball game but you can still get 2-3 goals with the right types. Hipwood for all the flack he cops is still a premiership player and looks likely to finish on around 350-400 goals when the dust settles. Is that acceptable in this day and age? Or are we simply going to ignore tall forwards for another 5 years or pretend that skinny ruckmen like Coleman-Jones are the answer?

 

[bengal tigers]

For a guy that likes to pass off goals he kicks more goals on ave than both FOS & Lalor. And has more clearances, more i50's, more disposals, more SI's etc

Turns up more often, plays every game, has great leadership credentials, trains hard....but other than that he's pretty iffy.

More inside 50's and clearances Wow,pity most of the inside 50's are turnovers ,,his kicking over 20-30 is very good,but so is trevaglia's who is a average kick .
Most of his effective possessions are short ,and how many of the longer ones are to player's who are manned .
I don't know how you can compare stats to player's who have had a interrupted year,and Lalor who hasn't done a proper pre season ,but still FOS kicked 5 goals out of 4 games in the coates and has a better tackle average and goale than Jaggs who played 12 games and could train all week if he wanted .
Lalor playing mainly as a forward in the champs on limited time ,kicked 4,had a better tackle average ,and nearly the same average in marks as Jagga.

Don't let stats get in the way ,Jagga is iffy in a few areas,loot's of short possessions,kicking over a distance is iffy ,defensive is very iffy ,marking is ok,but takes quite a few in space ,hasn't proven to be versatile .

 

[bengal tigers]

How many rucks can kick 40 goals? Grundy & Sean Darcy can't, Sam Darcy probably can and is the type of player I'm looking at. I think if we're dismissing players at Tippett or Wright levels then we're probably never going to land a key forward unless one falls into the lap courtesy of finishing in the bottom 4 next year and beyond.

But the point is why do we need a forward who could kick 40goals a year being a ruck,just get geniune ruck who can go forward resting and can scrap a few goals here and there,and keep the forward playing forward

 

[Snatch]

Francis Jackson has never butchered a top 5 pick, 100% clean sheet so I'm confident that whoever he picks will be a core contributor but I'm also mindful of picking a player at 2 who has a few question marks pertaining to soft tissue injuries & endurance. Most years there's a Dusty clone, Rayner ran an 11 beep and still went number 1, the media were salivating but ignored his gut running potential, his times in the RCD zone. There's only so much you can do with an aerobic base so low. Cripps was seen a chubster with a fanatical attack on the ball, but the reality was he could still run a 13 beep. I think this is the zone for upside, 12 or below and you are up against it. I don't have Lalor's data, with that black hole of knowledge I cannot overlook a player with such a decorated junior career. I'm also wary about the pitfalls of a crash and bash lifestyle, Venables was another Dusty on the block but got cruched out of the competition. I do like Lalor, he's top 5 on talent, I wouldn't be upset with him either but I'm also a bit of a Warren Buffet when it comes to premium picks. Even when I'm looking at all the various scenarios I don't think I will be suffering from buyers remorse, I put this on par with something like Brayshaw over Luke Davies-Uniake & Rayner, I probably miss out on some pizzaz and a rampaging bull but I'm happy I didn't wind up with a forward flanker in the wash-up.

In saying all that I'm happy to package 10 & 11 and take a chance on one of Lalor or O'Sullivan, that would be my focus. I think you could get a good result trading 10,11 for 5 & a second rounder. Lalor & Cooper Hynes looks ok to me if we're traveling down that path.

Richard Tambling says hi

 

[Tigertool]

Richard Tambling says hi

Nice try. Tambling and JON were Greg Miller.

Frank took over in 2006 for Riewoldt onwards.

 

[bullus_hit]

Interesting who the players rate at pick 1

FINAL TALLY: WHICH PLAYER DRAFT PROSPECTS WOULD TAKE AT PICK 1 (of 19)

Jagga Smith: 7


Finn O’Sullivan: 4

Harvey Langford: 3

Josh Smillie: 3

Sid Draper: 2

 

[caesar]

Interesting who the players rate at pick 1

FINAL TALLY: WHICH PLAYER DRAFT PROSPECTS WOULD TAKE AT PICK 1 (of 19)

Jagga Smith: 7


Finn O’Sullivan: 4

Harvey Langford: 3

Josh Smillie: 3

Sid Draper: 2

This is why I would not use 6 to trade down for two unless it involved Norths future 1st, a gun will still be waiting at 6.

 

[spook]

Man, the Jaggastans get a little touchy if anyone dare suggest their Hot Rodent Boyfriend is not the greatest thing since Timothée Chalamet.

 

[MD Jazz]

,defensive is very iffy

I imagine he's too busy winning the ball.

Name me one top mid that has a super defensive game? Dusty/Cripps/Daicos/Bont/Neale are not too worried about what their opponent is doing.

Reckon at the pointy end "defensive capabilities" are not super high on the check list. You just need the tank to keep getting from contest to contest.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Is there a 'Ottens' in this draft?
Mobile Tall that can mark

 

[MD Jazz]

Man, the Jaggastans get a little touchy if anyone dare suggest their Hot Rodent Boyfriend is not the greatest thing since Timothée Chalamet.

You don't think Bengal's assessment was even a little harsh?

Obviously he has a strong opinion, and he's watched more live junior footy than me (and probably most others) but there is a stack of vision and stats that don't really support such a harsh assessment.

Hopefully Smith does slide a fair way and we get all of Lalor/Smith/FOS, all of PRE will be happy with that!

 

[Tigers of Old]

Is there a 'Ottens' in this draft?
Mobile Tall that can mark

Just had a flashback to when he fell on a garden stake back in 2002. One of the strangest injuries ever.
Aah the Big O.

 

[Scoop]

How many rucks can kick 40 goals? Grundy & Sean Darcy can't, Sam Darcy probably can and is the type of player I'm looking at. I think if we're dismissing players at Tippett or Wright levels then we're probably never going to land a key forward unless one falls into the lap courtesy of finishing in the bottom 4 next year and beyond.

There is no ruck that can do that. I see Sims as a forward who rucks, not a full time ruck.

 

[bullus_hit]

But the point is why do we need a forward who could kick 40goals a year being a ruck,just get geniune ruck who can go forward resting and can scrap a few goals here and there,and keep the forward playing forward

But who are these genuine rucks who could pull off both roles? Dodson isn't that player, Coleman-Jones isn't that player, Naismith isn't that player. I think the parameters we're setting are confusing, we don't like pure rucks in any case, we haven't gone near one since Nankervis & i would have thought the CCJ experiment might have highlighted the folly of this line of thinking. If there's a Greg Stafford out there I am all ears but there isn't so scouring the field for the next Larkey looks like a worthwhile exercise.