2024 Draft Thread

[Don’t Argue]

Sims 90cm running jump, Whitlock 91cm

Sims agility 8.13 (8th overall)

Please don’t leave out Whitlocks standing vertical jump incase it weakens my argument

Jack Whitlock

VIC C

Murray Bushrangers

Shepparton Bears

75

 

[No 4]

That is a good point

Is Jagga = Scully

whilst Lalor would be unlikely to get to Dusty's level will he be the more damaging player?

need pick 2 Lalor and FOS, need to keep 6 and 10

 

[spook]

Berry, Dattoli and even Hannaford in front of him for mine but wouldn’t mind him if we miss…
For players we can get….

Regards,
Stan

Ditto. I have us taking him at 39 after trading back and into next year.

 

[bullus_hit]

Please don’t leave out Whitlocks standing vertical jump incase it weakens my argument

Jack Whitlock

VIC C

Murray Bushrangers

Shepparton Bears

75

Standing vertical isn't as relevant as running vertical, but this is all semantics, I think they both have acceptable numbers and is the reason I would pick one or both of them depending on availability.

 

[davidc0055]

need pick 2 Lalor and FOS, need to keep 6 and 10

That seems impossible

 

[bengal tigers]

Francis Jackson has never butchered a top 5 pick, 100% clean sheet so I'm confident that whoever he picks will be a core contributor but I'm also mindful of picking a player at 2 who has a few question marks pertaining to soft tissue injuries & endurance. Most years there's a Dusty clone, Rayner ran an 11 beep and still went number 1, the media were salivating but ignored his gut running potential, his times in the RCD zone. There's only so much you can do with an aerobic base so low. Cripps was seen a chubster with a fanatical attack on the ball, but the reality was he could still run a 13 beep. I think this is the zone for upside, 12 or below and you are up against it. I don't have Lalor's data, with that black hole of knowledge I cannot overlook a player with such a decorated junior career. I'm also wary about the pitfalls of a crash and bash lifestyle, Venables was another Dusty on the block but got cruched out of the competition. I do like Lalor, he's top 5 on talent, I wouldn't be upset with him either but I'm also a bit of a Warren Buffet when it comes to premium picks. Even when I'm looking at all the various scenarios I don't think I will be suffering from buyers remorse, I put this on par with something like Brayshaw over Luke Davies-Uniake & Rayner, I probably miss out on some pizzaz and a rampaging bull but I'm happy I didn't wind up with a forward flanker in the wash-up.

In saying all that I'm happy to package 10 & 11 and take a chance on one of Lalor or O'Sullivan, that would be my focus. I think you could get a good result trading 10,11 for 5 & a second rounder. Lalor & Cooper Hynes looks ok to me if we're traveling down that path.

Are you taking the *smile* or what ,Lalor is elite in kicking /marking /defensive /handball with power and distance /versatile/Leadership ,and that is comparing all this years draftees .
Jagga is elite in getting possessions but is not that damaging ,some other's only need half or less to have the same effect,,hasn't proven to be veratile,clubs love that .,Jagga has had the whole year to train and recover,the majority of other's haven't ,,Lalor hasn't even done a pre season
As for endurance lm sure Lalor has had the gps put on him ,but he runs out game well,so l don't see a problem.
I don't know why but the comparisons of Rayner and Lalor are wrong,Lalor a mid who can go forward,Rayner is a forward they hoped would be a mid,,but this has been done to death.
Mate if Lalor is not taken at 1 he will be at 2.

 

[bullus_hit]

I haven't seen the softness some people have mentioned. He’s never shied away from physicality, whether it's going up for a contested mark or battling in the ruck when I've seen him live. However, I have noted a lack of awareness at times, where he seems to miss incoming contact. I suspect this might be due to his later start in football, having played basketball until 15. Despite his size, Sims is surprisingly agile and transitions smoothly from aerial contests to ground ball play. He's a more dynamic athlete than Wright and possesses a stronger ground game then 2 metre.

Tippett was also a basketball convert, it's a good base to work with, he also had a pretty good career averaging a tick under 2 goals a game and winning the goal kicking twice, once at Adelaide & once at Sydney. For pick 20 I'd gladly take a 40 goal ruck forward, it's just what the doctor ordered.

 

[bengal tigers]

I haven't seen the softness some people have mentioned. He’s never shied away from physicality, whether it's going up for a contested mark or battling in the ruck when I've seen him live. However, I have noted a lack of awareness at times, where he seems to miss incoming contact. I suspect this might be due to his later start in football, having played basketball until 15. Despite his size, Sims is surprisingly agile and transitions smoothly from aerial contests to ground ball play. He's a more dynamic athlete than Wright and possesses a stronger ground game then 2 metre.

Well if he has a ground game he doesn't show it much ,.if he was so good up forward why give him so many games in the ruck,because they are trying to get him involved more,,he is no better than Peter Wright ,nearly like for like .

 

[bullus_hit]

Are you taking the *smile* or what ,Lalor is elite in kicking /marking /defensive /handball with power and distance /versatile/Leadership ,and that is comparing all this years draftees .
Jagga is elite in getting possessions but is not that damaging ,some other's only need half or less to have the same effect,,hasn't proven to be veratile,clubs love that .,Jagga has had the whole year to train and recover,the majority of other's haven't ,,Lalor hasn't even done a pre season
As for endurance lm sure Lalor has had the gps put on him ,but he runs out game well,so l don't see a problem.
I don't know why but the comparisons of Rayner and Lalor are wrong,Lalor a mid who can go forward,Rayner is a forward they hoped would be a mid,,but this has been done to death.
Mate if Lalor is not taken at 1 he will be at 2.

I was referring to the Dusty comparisons, Rayner was all that and more according to the scribes, these comparisons are generally off the mark just like they were with Hobbs being Selwood for example. And before people lose their marbles, I'm not questioning Lalor's skill set, I'm questioning his injury history & gut running potential. When the club throws multiple picks at players like Hopper & Yarran it's only fair that some hard questions are asked. I also think you are selling Smith short, he's clear top 5 from my perspective and this batch is very even.

 

[btoz_01]

need pick 2 Lalor and FOS, need to keep 6 and 10

Dont know how we could achieve that

 

[bengal tigers]

Tippett was also a basketball convert, it's a good base to work with, he also had a pretty good career averaging a tick under 2 goals a game and winning the goal kicking twice, once at Adelaide & once at Sydney. For pick 20 I'd gladly take a 40 goal ruck forward, it's just what the doctor ordered.

Bully if we can get a forward who can kick 40 goals a year,why play him in the ruck ,l would rather get a genuine ruck who is good resting forward.

 

[bengal tigers]

I was referring to the Dusty comparisons, Rayner was all that and more according to the scribes, these comparisons are generally off the mark just like they were with Hobbs being Selwood for example. And before people lose their marbles, I'm not questioning Lalor's skill set, I'm questioning his injury history & gut running potential. When the club throws multiple picks at players like Hopper & Yarran it's only fair that some hard questions are asked. I also think you are selling Smith short, he's clear top 5 from my perspective and this batch is very even.

The only reason this year is fairly even ,is because Lalor and Fos had a injury riddled year,otherwise they are clear 1-2 picks ,which l think they are anyway.

Im not selling Smith short,it's a fact what l have wrote ,he isn't damaging,he isn't versatile,his kicking over distance is iffy ,his marking is ok,most of his possessions are short ,he runs into the forward line with space, and instead of trying to finish off at goals ,he passes off to players who are manned ,,doesn't take the game on ,defensive pressure isn't that strong ,which leads me to think he will be unaccountable at AFL LEVEL.

 

[daniel30]

Jasper Alger
State: Victoria Country
State League Club: Oakleigh Chargers
Community Club: Warragul
Date of Birth: 17/12/2006
Height: 182cm

Medium forward who is strong overhead, quick on the burst and a fine decision maker, with his goal kicking also an asset. Mixed his football this year between the Oakleigh Chargers and Caulfield Grammar, as well as representing Victoria Country in all four matches of the Marsh AFL National Championships, which included a three-goal haul against South Australia. Played six matches in the Coates Talent League for the Chargers, averaging 11 disposals and kicking eight goals. His four-goal effort against the Calder Cannons in the Wildcard Round was an impressive performance before suffering a broken finger in a basketball training mishap which ruled him out of the remaining finals. Tested extremely well at the national Draft Combine, ranking fourth on the 20m sprint (2.95 seconds) and tenth on the agility test (8.14 seconds).

Not sure it's a need with Clark to play that role , Lefau .

 

[Don’t Argue]

Standing vertical isn't as relevant as running vertical, but this is all semantics, I think they both have acceptable numbers and is the reason I would pick one or both of them depending on availability.

Totally agree that testing numbers don’t necessarily equate to onfield performance but a standing vertical jump is an extremely important athletic trait for tall forwards who may have body on body contacted initiated on them and have to rely on overhead marks without much of a run up.
I’ve got no clue as to who becomes the better long term prospect. I do understand that Whitlock will require a few years of developing as he’s quite light

 

[MD Jazz]

I said “yonnie” to my wife the other day and she looked at me funny.

I used to throw yonnies at moggies

 

[Coburgtiger]

In the Francis Jackson / Matthew Clarke era (since 2006) - we have hit on 57% of our first round picks. That percentage goes to 71% if 100 gamers is the criteria (Vickery & Conca)

So worst case if we pick 8 players in a very good draft - we should bank on between 4 and at a stretch 6 very good players.

We just traded out 4 better than very good players, who will probably all play another 100 games.

And we already had pick 1.

 

[MD Jazz]

There’s question marks on Simms and JWhitlocks competitiveness which makes me wonder whether either of them like taking the hits from the front position.

That's why Schache never had an AFL career. A big guy with no mongrel or desire for contact ain't much good in the AFL. You cannot prefer to avoid contact if you are 195 plus. Darcy is slight but he does not shy away from going at the contested ball in the air.

You can get away with it at the lower levels but it's not something that is super teachable/learnable. Otherwise the likes of Schache/Vickery etc would have had long AFL careers.

 

[MD Jazz]

Im not selling Smith short,it's a fact what l have wrote ,he isn't damaging,he isn't versatile,his kicking over distance is iffy ,his marking is ok,most of his possessions are short ,he runs into the forward line with space, and instead of trying to finish off at goals ,he passes off to players who are manned ,,doesn't take the game on ,defensive pressure isn't that strong ,which leads me to think he will be unaccountable at AFL LEVEL.

But other than that he's a gun!

I'd hate to read a post that sells him short!!!

 

[Don’t Argue]

That's why Schache never had an AFL career. A big guy with no mongrel or desire for contact ain't much good in the AFL. You cannot prefer to avoid contact if you are 195 plus. Darcy is slight but he does not shy away from going at the contested ball in the air.

You can get away with it at the lower levels but it's not something that is super teachable/learnable. Otherwise the likes of Schache/Vickery etc would have had long AFL careers.

That’s why I like Armstrong. He’s only 195cm but he’s apparently nasty.
Gerreyn is also very competitive and mobile for a huge brute.

 

[MD Jazz]

The only reason this year is fairly even ,is because Lalor and Fos had a injury riddled year,otherwise they are clear 1-2 picks ,which l think they are anyway.

Im not selling Smith short,it's a fact what l have wrote ,he isn't damaging,he isn't versatile,his kicking over distance is iffy ,his marking is ok,most of his possessions are short ,he runs into the forward line with space, and instead of trying to finish off at goals ,he passes off to players who are manned ,,doesn't take the game on ,defensive pressure isn't that strong ,which leads me to think he will be unaccountable at AFL LEVEL.

For a guy that likes to pass off goals he kicks more goals on ave than both FOS & Lalor. And has more clearances, more i50's, more disposals, more SI's etc

Turns up more often, plays every game, has great leadership credentials, trains hard....but other than that he's pretty iffy.