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2024 Draft Thread

bullus_hit said:
Back to ground zero, this draft is the last chance saloon before Tasmania hit the scene. My fear is the lack of talls at the pointy end, I feel a reach is necessary but not at 1. Best CV belongs to Jagga Smith, no risks please, this isn't the year to get cute.
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Welcome back mate

FOS / Lalor for me

who do you like out of the talls after #20

I would love to bid on marshall if we hold a pick around #14 and if matched Taj Hotton i think would have so much talent that was not able to be displayed this year and could be the bargain of the draft
 
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Great interview with Jasper Alger this morning - or the *smile* Picker as I like to call him (boy just can't leave himself alone).

15 clubs interviewed. Richmond one of them. Big Richmond fan. Nominated FOS Vegas as the best player in the draft, followed by Jags and then Levi Strauss.

Spoke very very well. Interesting player. Not much of him but he's a pesky character that just keeps bobbing up on the forward line. Reminds me a tiny bit of Caracella.
 
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bullus_hit said:
His tank must be ok, he's already hit the 40 possession mark, he's also very organised so I'm not overly concerned about his ability to distribute. Unfortunately this draft doesn't have an absolute glamour pick without rolling the dice on upside. Taking O'Sullivan might turn out ok but I don't see midfield numbers that screams bluechip selection. This is one pick you can't afford to waste, even if that means missing out on the best player. I also think the game is swinging back to the shortish midfielders, Rowell, Butters, Serong, Daicos etc. I think this draft is very even but we'll be sizing up x-factor at pick 6 with any luck.
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Yeh, I am so over hearing negatives based on height.

Adding to those you list above, Neale is 177cm. Merrett 1.80. Parish 1.81. Mitchell 1.81.

Ball winners do not change much. All got big numbers at junior level in the midfield. (Merrett was mid/forward but still got ave over 26 poss)

Parish was a very similar type to Jagga IMO - In his final TAC year he ave 28 possessions (16 Cont), 7 clearances and 5 i50's. Slim but agile, quick thinking. Reckon he is the template for Jagga.


ADDING From AFL website -

Parish completed testing at this month's NAB AFL Draft Combine without blowing anyone away with outstanding results, but that isn't too much of a concern. His pace (3.07 seconds over the 20-metre sprint) and endurance (level 13.8 beep test) is solid but Parish is more a footballer than an athlete. That's pretty clear when watching him play.
 
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Very tall good to superstar mids are a rarity.
Ball magnetism is what you need.
 
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Don’t Argue said:
They’re not a quick lot this year.
Dusty and Cotchin well under 3 seconds and they were never particularly known for their speed, although both had breakaway power.
Midfielders this year with no express pace is a worry
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I didn't realise we were drafting for the next half-time GF sprint winner.

Writing off a draft year of mids because no one ran 3.0

Here are the Top Ten sprint lists since 2021, any gun mids there?

2012 -
RankResult (seconds)NameState / Country
12.81AdamSaadVic
22.84KurtHeatherleyNZ
32.86LeighOsborneVic
42.88Matthew*smile*Vic
=52.89MatthewHaynesVic
=52.89DeanTowersVic
=52.89AidenCorrVic
82.91ClayCameronQld
92.92JordonBourkeQld
=102.93CameronBanfieldVic
=102.93JarrodStokesNT

2013 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.78Jonathon Marsh
22.82Nathan Freeman
32.83Daniel Flynn
42.84James Siciliy
52.88Karl Amon
62.90Jack Leslie
72.92Richard Bourne
82.93Tom Cutler
=92.94Jake Barrett
=92.94Darcy Byrne-Jones

2014 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.81 secsMarvin Baynham
22.87Oleg Markov
2.87Jarrod Pickett
2.87Reece McKenzie
52.88Connor Menadue
62.90Nakia Cockatoo
72.92Ed Langdon
82.93Paddy Brophy
2.93Conor McKenna
2.93Nathan Drummond

2015 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.88Alex Morgan
22.88Kurt Mutimer
32.89Liam Jeffs
42.89Daniel Rioli
52.90Thomas Glen
62.90Declan Moutford
72.91Callum Moore
82.91David Cuningham
92.94Hisham Kerbatieh
102.94Jordan Snadden

2016 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.87Jacob Allison
22.90Ben Ainsworth
32.92Josh Rotham
42.93Josh Williams
2.93Bailey Morrish
2.93Taylin Duman
2.93Esava Ratugolea
82.94Will Hayward
2.94Tony Olango
102.95Shai Bolton

2017
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.87Jack Petruccelle
22.90Kane Farrell
32.90Aiden Bonar
42.91Ben Miller
52.91Nick Coffield
62.95Ben Paton
72.95Brent Daniels
82.95Stefan Okunbar
92.95Jaidyn Stephenson
102.97Nicholas Shipley

2018 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.904Tom McKenzie
22.910Connor Rozee
32.914Will Hamill
42.930Izak Rankine
52.945Connor Idun
62.946Bailey Williams
72.957Xavier O'Neill
82.960Xavier O'Halloran
92.965Ben King
102.966Sam Sturt

2019
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.867Sam Philp
22.885Ben Johnson
32.924Malcolm Rosas
42.925Mitch Georgiades
52.931Noah Cumberland
62.957Finn Maginness
72.963Harrison Jones
82.966Jeremy Sharp
92.968Brady Rowles
102.972Dylan Stephens

2020-
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.779Reef McInnes
22.801Max Holmes
32.86Godfrey Okerenyang
42.870Liam Kolar
52.873Isiah Winder
62.88Seamus Mitchell
72.887Zavier Maher
82.89Josh Eyre
92.896Fraser Rosman
102.897Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

2021
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.845Harvey Harrison
22.898Taj Woewodin
32.900Luke Polson
42.910Hugh Stagg
52.926Noah Pegoraro
62.951Bryce Watson
72.960Brad Hough
82.969Corey Warner
92.974Sam Butler
102.976Mitchell Knevitt

2022
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.814Edward Allan
22.880Toby McMullin
32.883Coby Burgiel
42.910James Van Es
52.912Darcy Jones
62.924Olli Hotton
72.928Reuben Ginbey
82.928Cooper Vickery
92.937Josh Weddle
102.951Lloyd Johnston
2023
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.871Aiden O'Driscoll
22.915Will Graham
32.916Caleb Windsor
42.923Lance Collard
52.930Kane McAuliffe
62.954Zane Zakostelsky
72.963Phoenix Gothard
82.965Taylor Goad
92.993Eion McElholm
102.996Harry DeMattia

Neale ran a 3.0 sec 20m. Parish 3.08. Cripps was 3.2 plus IIRC?.
 
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FWIW Usain Bolt was a 2.87sec runner for 20m (although his top speed was just under 45kmh!)

I think Balta has hit 38kmh?
 
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MD Jazz said:
Yeh, I am so over hearing negatives based on height.

Adding to those you list above, Neale is 177cm. Merrett 1.80. Parish 1.81. Mitchell 1.81.

Ball winners do not change much. All got big numbers at junior level in the midfield. (Merrett was mid/forward but still got ave over 26 poss)

Parish was a very similar type to Jagga IMO - In his final TAC year he ave 28 possessions (16 Cont), 7 clearances and 5 i50's. Slim but agile, quick thinking. Reckon he is the template for Jagga.


ADDING From AFL website -

Parish completed testing at this month's NAB AFL Draft Combine without blowing anyone away with outstanding results, but that isn't too much of a concern. His pace (3.07 seconds over the 20-metre sprint) and endurance (level 13.8 beep test) is solid but Parish is more a footballer than an athlete. That's pretty clear when watching him play.
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Is a parish type worth spending pick 1 on?
 
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How often does a mid actually run 20m sprinting?

Used to love a Nathan Foley burst from the middle and goal. But doesn't happen very often.

Repeat running is the real key to the mids.
 
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MD Jazz said:
Yeh, I am so over hearing negatives based on height.

Adding to those you list above, Neale is 177cm. Merrett 1.80. Parish 1.81. Mitchell 1.81.

Ball winners do not change much. All got big numbers at junior level in the midfield. (Merrett was mid/forward but still got ave over 26 poss)

Parish was a very similar type to Jagga IMO - In his final TAC year he ave 28 possessions (16 Cont), 7 clearances and 5 i50's. Slim but agile, quick thinking. Reckon he is the template for Jagga.


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Parish completed testing at this month's NAB AFL Draft Combine without blowing anyone away with outstanding results, but that isn't too much of a concern. His pace (3.07 seconds over the 20-metre sprint) and endurance (level 13.8 beep test) is solid but Parish is more a footballer than an athlete. That's pretty clear when watching him play.
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Is it height that people have concerns on or his very slight frame ? At 1.81m I don’t think that is a negative for most.
 
The 20m times are indicators of acceleration. The clubs get breakdowns. First 5m, first 10m and 20m. So they can break down the little wheels guys like say Maurice Rioli and Nic Watson. These little wheels guys won't necessarily test well for 20m but should show up in the first 5m. They show up on the park for this.

We don't recruit players because they won the 20m trial or the leap or whatever. We get to measure individuals and the cohort. Against each other and previous cohorts.

It's a measure. If a bloke who can't play runs 2.69 it doesn't matter. When Leonardo Lombard reels of a 2.85 and a 7.7 agility we know not just that our eyes aren't deceiving us but that his burst and baulk will stand up in any company any period.

When a bloke turns in a 3.25 we know not just that he will be very vulnerable from behind on the burst but that they will get off him. There is noone he can catch. It's not fatal. But he will need cover. That said, Dustin Martin was fully blistering and he needed cover.


MD Jazz said:
FWIW Usain Bolt was a 2.87sec runner for 20m
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100m is a long way, MD. What do we reckon Darcy Wilson and Bonce McBlotchley are for 20m? 3.0? 2.97? They just quinellad the time-honoured sprint. (Which should be run over 20m IMO.)

I'm totally with you on short players, MD. FWIW I think it's an advantage. I've seen Chris Scott deploy Brad Close against Marcus Bontempelli to weave in front of him at stoppage. Coaches use very smalls against juggernauts. They're vulnerable.

On Nathan Foley he was top of the comp for pure clearance power when right. He was super quick outside but he could just pounce when inside. Explosive. I wonder what he tested for 5m. I reckon he might have come in real quick there. He was a big loss and we'd kill for another one, with longevity.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
The 20m times are indicators of acceleration. The clubs get breakdowns. First 5m, first 10m and 20m. So they can break down the little wheels guys like say Maurice Rioli and Nic Watson. These little wheels guys won't necessarily test well for 20m but should show up in the first 5m. They show up on the park for this.

We don't recruit players because they won the 20m trial or the leap or whatever. We get to measure individuals and the cohort. Against each other and previous cohorts.

It's a measure. If a bloke who can't play runs 2.69 it doesn't matter. When Leonardo Lombard reels of a 2.85 and a 7.7 agility we know not just that our eyes aren't deceiving us but that his burst and baulk will stand up in any company any period.

When a bloke turns in a 3.25 we know not just that he will be very vulnerable from behind on the burst but that they will get off him. There is noone he can catch. It's not fatal. But he will need cover. That said, Dustin Martin was fully blistering and he needed cover.



100m is a long way, MD. What do we reckon Darcy Wilson and Bonce McBlotchley are for 20m? 3.0? 2.97? They just quinellad the time-honoured sprint. (Which should be run over 20m IMO.)

I'm totally with you on short players, MD. FWIW I think it's an advantage. I've seen Chris Scott deploy Brad Close against Marcus Bontempelli to weave in front of him at stoppage. Coaches use very smalls against juggernauts. They're vulnerable.

On Nathan Foley he was top of the comp for pure clearance power when right. He was super quick outside but he could just pounce when inside. Explosive. I wonder what he tested for 5m. I reckon he might have come in real quick there. He was a big loss and we'd kill for another one, with longevity.
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Not sure about any off field stuff - but Draper is the closest clone to Foley we've seen in a while Jack

Reckon he will probably be available at our likely pick 7 as well. Very interesting if we take him. On football ability and needs (he's probably the quickest mid in this class) he would have to come under serious consideration.
 
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Leysy Days said:
Not sure about any off field stuff - but Draper is the closest clone to Foley we've seen in a while Jack

Reckon he will probably be available at our likely pick 7 as well. Very interesting if we take him. On football ability and needs (he's probably the quickest mid in this class) he would have to come under serious consideration.
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I'm all over Draper, Bryan. The best I50 kick in the draft IMO. Glamour I50. Brisk. Too inside IMO, but young. Can get outside. Can break. There are some queries on is late SANFL form. I'll do those tapes before I write him up. I did a lot of form on 2023. I'm about to finalise 2024. I don't think he has the clearance power of Nathan Foley or I'd have him standout #1 in this draft.
 
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I've always hated the unfair northern academies due to its huge 1 way advantages.
I've noticed that Brisbane, Suns,Gws ,Sydney get extraordinary hits from top 25ish academy players,they nearly always turn out good afl players, but normal 1st round draftees are a 50/50 chance at best.
The difference is 7 years of having academies under your nose compared to getting bits n pieces of other people's information on draftees u don't know can be yours untill draft day.
 
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MD Jazz said:
I didn't realise we were drafting for the next half-time GF sprint winner.

Writing off a draft year of mids because no one ran 3.0

Here are the Top Ten sprint lists since 2021, any gun mids there?

2012 -
RankResult (seconds)NameState / Country
12.81AdamSaadVic
22.84KurtHeatherleyNZ
32.86LeighOsborneVic
42.88Matthew*smile*Vic
=52.89MatthewHaynesVic
=52.89DeanTowersVic
=52.89AidenCorrVic
82.91ClayCameronQld
92.92JordonBourkeQld
=102.93CameronBanfieldVic
=102.93JarrodStokesNT

2013 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.78Jonathon Marsh
22.82Nathan Freeman
32.83Daniel Flynn
42.84James Siciliy
52.88Karl Amon
62.90Jack Leslie
72.92Richard Bourne
82.93Tom Cutler
=92.94Jake Barrett
=92.94Darcy Byrne-Jones

2014 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.81 secsMarvin Baynham
22.87Oleg Markov
2.87Jarrod Pickett
2.87Reece McKenzie
52.88Connor Menadue
62.90Nakia Cockatoo
72.92Ed Langdon
82.93Paddy Brophy
2.93Conor McKenna
2.93Nathan Drummond

2015 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.88Alex Morgan
22.88Kurt Mutimer
32.89Liam Jeffs
42.89Daniel Rioli
52.90Thomas Glen
62.90Declan Moutford
72.91Callum Moore
82.91David Cuningham
92.94Hisham Kerbatieh
102.94Jordan Snadden

2016 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.87Jacob Allison
22.90Ben Ainsworth
32.92Josh Rotham
42.93Josh Williams
2.93Bailey Morrish
2.93Taylin Duman
2.93Esava Ratugolea
82.94Will Hayward
2.94Tony Olango
102.95Shai Bolton

2017
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.87Jack Petruccelle
22.90Kane Farrell
32.90Aiden Bonar
42.91Ben Miller
52.91Nick Coffield
62.95Ben Paton
72.95Brent Daniels
82.95Stefan Okunbar
92.95Jaidyn Stephenson
102.97Nicholas Shipley

2018 -
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.904Tom McKenzie
22.910Connor Rozee
32.914Will Hamill
42.930Izak Rankine
52.945Connor Idun
62.946Bailey Williams
72.957Xavier O'Neill
82.960Xavier O'Halloran
92.965Ben King
102.966Sam Sturt

2019
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.867Sam Philp
22.885Ben Johnson
32.924Malcolm Rosas
42.925Mitch Georgiades
52.931Noah Cumberland
62.957Finn Maginness
72.963Harrison Jones
82.966Jeremy Sharp
92.968Brady Rowles
102.972Dylan Stephens

2020-
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.779Reef McInnes
22.801Max Holmes
32.86Godfrey Okerenyang
42.870Liam Kolar
52.873Isiah Winder
62.88Seamus Mitchell
72.887Zavier Maher
82.89Josh Eyre
92.896Fraser Rosman
102.897Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

2021
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.845Harvey Harrison
22.898Taj Woewodin
32.900Luke Polson
42.910Hugh Stagg
52.926Noah Pegoraro
62.951Bryce Watson
72.960Brad Hough
82.969Corey Warner
92.974Sam Butler
102.976Mitchell Knevitt

2022
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.814Edward Allan
22.880Toby McMullin
32.883Coby Burgiel
42.910James Van Es
52.912Darcy Jones
62.924Olli Hotton
72.928Reuben Ginbey
82.928Cooper Vickery
92.937Josh Weddle
102.951Lloyd Johnston
2023
RankResult (seconds)Name
12.871Aiden O'Driscoll
22.915Will Graham
32.916Caleb Windsor
42.923Lance Collard
52.930Kane McAuliffe
62.954Zane Zakostelsky
72.963Phoenix Gothard
82.965Taylor Goad
92.993Eion McElholm
102.996Harry DeMattia

Neale ran a 3.0 sec 20m. Parish 3.08. Cripps was 3.2 plus IIRC?.
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It’s not about winning sprints but a great player with speed will always beat a great player who is not quick.
Do you appreciate how Rioli and Bolton use their speed to break away out of congestion? Well we’re losing both and it doesn’t appear we’re in a position to replace that.
I’d be adding in Draper to the mix as it’s something we now severely lack.
 
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