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2024 Draft Thread

Thats not right what was said about the deficit being capped at the future R1. The deficit is the value of ALL of your future years picks, ie. for this year, Brisbane can take a deficit into next year of the value of F1, F2 and F3 as if they won the premiership. Ie. the value of Pick 18, 36 and 54 collectively.
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That does not add up to the 1800 points they’d be short if both academy picks were Ashcroft @1 and Marshall before 25.
Also winning the flag has nothing to do with it. You can only have the value of the last pick in each round of the draft as they can not know your future position.

Brisbane would gut all their future picks and still be short of points. There only real options are
1 hand over 18 & F1
2 trade out players for points
3 hope both players are not bid on early
They have to negotiate.

Isn't that what I said, its the last pick of each of the picks with value. Ie. the deficit coming into 2024 therefore 18, 36, 54 and 72, next year remove 72 as its worth zilch.
You'd said it was only the value of the R1 pick which is incorrect.

Yes they need to trade, and I doubt they take any meaningful deficit into 2025, thats a desperate, no other option thing hence why only 1 club has ever taken a deficit. Much better value in trading than accepting a deficit.
 
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Hmmm. Didn't know that clubs can't trade out or go into deficit for anything more than just a future first rounder if they need to amass points. Don't follow all the AFL rulings on that sort of stuff anywhere near closely enough.
Brisvegas deep in serious arse clench mode if they want both players this year.
We'd be looking at handing over picks 29 - 39 - 41 - 47 to give Brisvegas the necessary 1800 points while pick 18 is a return of 985 points plus whatever their future first would end up being. We'd then need to be hoping that none of these picks would be needed to bolster one of the other trade deals we're trying to do.
We won't be giving them over 800 extra points,take it to the bank.
 
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Trade the picks from the back end first, picks 72,66,57,47,41,39 and 34 adds up to 1995 (equivalent to pick 5) leaving us with 1,21 and 29 plus all other picks in trade and compensation.
 
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Just a reminder for those posters hoping Brisbane will be so desperate to get a deal done for points and getting excited.
They can still trade out players
What is a realistic pick trade for Deven Robertson? Still under contract until 2025. But falling down the pecking order.
I’m sure WC will be interested.(p3,23, 59) but will have something coming in for Barass.
Maybe a pick between 35- 50? 522 points - 200+.
Any others?
 
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Thats not right what was said about the deficit being capped at the future R1. The deficit is the value of ALL of your future years picks, ie. for this year, Brisbane can take a deficit into next year of the value of F1, F2 and F3 as if they won the premiership. Ie. the value of Pick 18, 36 and 54 collectively.
O.K. thanks Poshy. Was only going off what Tigatale posted as i don't follow the rulings that deeply.
 
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Trade the picks from the back end first, picks 72,66,57,47,41,39 and 34 adds up to 1995 (equivalent to pick 5) leaving us with 1,21 and 29 plus all other picks in trade and compensation.
Just had a look at a more up to date draft order n while we've got 66, Gee Whizz are the owners of 34.
 
O.K. thanks Poshy. Was only going off what Tigatale posted as i don't follow the rulings that deeply.
The last pick is correct in each round but as I stated later, Brisbane’s total 2024 picks and 2025 picks is not enough points for both Ashcroft(@1) and Marshall(<25). Therefore they’d have to trade players for points or both 18 and F1.
We have the opportunity to bend them over. Pay up or we bid early.
 
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Anyone think we should not bid on Ashcroft at number 1 after big Brother won the Norm Smith.
Worst case result for Tige's a couple of weeks ago we looked to be. dealing for pick 14 now it is pick 18/23 :(
Not only should we bid on Ashcroft if Brisbane are being asses and dont want to or want too much
We should 100% bid on Marshall even if we trade with them .

Kid is serious player and almost like he was Ashcrofts brother
 
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@eZyT sold Will Ashcroft short is he willing to admit he may have sold Levi short as well?

I have had Levi behind only Jagga for a few months, but

Yes.

In March i had Levi at 10 or so.

And Yes i sold Will short as recently as round 20 or so this year,

But hes clearly a superstar.

always happy to be wrong, when footballers succeed.

(perhaps with the notable exception of Mason Cox?)

(y)
 
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The last pick is correct in each round but as I stated later, Brisbane’s total 2024 picks and 2025 picks is not enough points for both Ashcroft(@1) and Marshall(<25). Therefore they’d have to trade players for points or both 18 and F1.
We have the opportunity to bend them over. Pay up or we bid early.
Fair enough, if they haven't got enough points over the 2 draft years of picks then a serious look needs to be had at their 20 to 23 y.o. Victorian kids to see if anyone's worth bringing home. Still reckon we should just look after our own business end of things re trades n points n just bid on both of their kids. Leave Brisvegas swingin in the breeze, they're already going better than alright. Why help them get even better still?
 
Redmond could you please paste the article in here?
Too big to paste. Is there another way ?

Extract...

"Some of those players made clear as they departed that coach Adem Yze needed to take more control of a young group with more discipline and a defined game plan as well as working on his existing strong relationships.

There was a level of frustration that some players old and younger were allowed too many liberties around their professionalism and adherence to game plan.

The club is aware of the player feedback, even though senior players were also frustrated at Bolton playing on instinct and diverting from the game plan at times.

Departing chief executive Brendon Gale made clear in a recent podcast that Yze was prepared to “take a lot more responsibility” and “start to really put his fingerprints on this team” in 2025.

While Richmond is yet to lock in trades with rival clubs the centrepiece of those trades will allow Richmond to secure of footy’s best draft hauls in recent memory excluding expansion sides."
 
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Redmond could you please paste the article in here?
RICHMOND’S PHENOMENAL TRADE-PERIOD POSITION

Jon Ralph
Richmond will feel it is perfectly placed to go to the draft with a phenomenal six selections in the first 21 picks as the club’s trades for three outgoing stars take shape.
The AFL’s free agency period kicks off on Friday, with compensation for St Kilda over Josh Battle’s departure to Hawthorn the most intriguing question mark.
But Richmond’s monumental decision to allow contracted players Shai Bolton (Fremantle) and Daniel Rioli (Gold Coast) to leave will shape the trade period, which runs from October 7-16.
Uncontracted vice-captain Liam Baker is also on the move but is yet to officially select a home as he chooses between West Coast and Fremantle.
Some of those players made it clear as they departed that coach Adem Yze needed to take more control of a young group.
There was a level of frustration that some players – old and younger – were allowed too many liberties around their professionalism and adherence to game plan.
The club is aware of the player feedback, even though senior players were also frustrated at Bolton playing on instinct and diverting from the game plan at times.
Departing chief executive Brendon Gale made it clear in a recent podcast that Yze was prepared to “take a lot more responsibility” and “start to really put his fingerprints on this team” in 2025.
While Richmond is yet to lock in trades with rival clubs, the centrepiece of those trades will allow it to secure footy’s best draft hauls in recent memory excluding expansion sides.
Richmond has asked Gold Coast for its No.6 pick and another early selection for Rioli and, while that seems a ridiculous ambit claim, the Suns are prepared to hand over their No.6 pick as part of a deal.
Fremantle is prepared to offer one of picks 9 or 10 for Bolton (contracted to 2028) and its No.16 pick, but not both of picks 9 and 10.
The Dockers are still hopeful Baker might choose them.
Fremantle would then use either pick 9 or 10 to secure the 26-year-old.
But if Baker chooses West Coast, the Tigers are likely to secure Hawthorn’s No.13 draft pick after the Eagles secure it in a trade for Tom Barrass.
So, while all of those deals could yet have many other elements – including Richmond even handing back later picks – the Tigers will think they can secure four picks within 16 for that trio.
With its own picks currently 1, 21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 72, the trade haul will give Richmond six picks within 21.
Early bids on Brisbane’s Levi Ashcroft and Gold Coast’s Leo Lombard will push out some of Richmond’s draft selections.
But on draft night, if the Tigers keep those picks, they could hope to have two of the first seven picks, four of the top 15 picks and seven of the top 35 picks as they also retain pick 29.
Gale told a club podcast in August he was confident Yze would put his imprint on Richmond next year as it quickly bounced back up the ladder.
“We have had a coach come in,’’ he said. “And we believe he’s extremely capable and he’s carried himself extremely well but it’s fair to say he comes into the program which has been successful.
“He is following a coach of historical standing (Damien Hardwick) and he has premiership players everywhere and I reckon he’s just sat back a bit, coupled with an incredibly unprecedented run of injury. And what you will see of Adem next year is a coach that takes a lot more responsibility.
“This is his team and he will intervene and poke and prod and start to really put his fingerprints on the team which will create its own energy and momentum.’’
 
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Not great reading in regards to Yze and letting players do what they want on and off the field if that article is to be believed.
 
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Too big to paste. Is there another way ?

Extract...

"Some of those players made clear as they departed that coach Adem Yze needed to take more control of a young group with more discipline and a defined game plan as well as working on his existing strong relationships.

There was a level of frustration that some players old and younger were allowed too many liberties around their professionalism and adherence to game plan.

The club is aware of the player feedback, even though senior players were also frustrated at Bolton playing on instinct and diverting from the game plan at times.

Departing chief executive Brendon Gale made clear in a recent podcast that Yze was prepared to “take a lot more responsibility” and “start to really put his fingerprints on this team” in 2025.

While Richmond is yet to lock in trades with rival clubs the centrepiece of those trades will allow Richmond to secure of footy’s best draft hauls in recent memory excluding expansion sides."
Cheers mate.

Interesting.
 
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Cheers mate.

Interesting.
Well, who knows how much to place in it. But I said a few times throughout the year Joking Faces that ignoring injuries blah blah blah ....a number of players needed a solid kick up the arse regardless, that the energy levels were low, and that guys were off doing their own thing a lot of the time. I started to lose count by the end of the year at how many times you'd see our guys remonstrating with one another about what they should be doing, where they should be etc. Stuff you can't see on tv.

As B Gale said, time for Yze to start getting a bit firmer. Time to lift standards, get some basic football decisions right, and for Yze to put his imprimatur on things. We might need to clear out 1 or 2 more senior players.
 
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