Imagine if we had the same sort of luck as bris or geelong way back in regards to F/s and or Academy during 17-22,Instead of the likes of slim pickings at 18+.
We probably wouldn't have gone after Hopper let alone find ourselves where we are now.
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2024 Draft Thread
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We probably wouldn't have gone after Hopper let alone find ourselves where we are now.
To me it is very simple. Not a simple decision but a simple proposition and that is we do what provides the best outcome for Richmond Football Club.
If that advantages Brisbane as well so be it because it will disadvantage 16 other clubs. RFC and Brisbane would be the only beneficiaries.
IMHO not doing a deal with Brisbane because it helps them is not a good reason to not do it because if that is the best deal for us we are disadvantaging ourselves by not doing it.
If the best deal for us is trading picks with Brisbane so they get Ashcroft cheaper and that is better than using those picks another way then we do it. If trading those picks to other clubs is better than the Brisbane deal then we do that.
To me that has to be the proposition. Brisbane is just one club, we have another 16 that we are also trying to get an advantage over.
If that advantages Brisbane as well so be it because it will disadvantage 16 other clubs. RFC and Brisbane would be the only beneficiaries.
IMHO not doing a deal with Brisbane because it helps them is not a good reason to not do it because if that is the best deal for us we are disadvantaging ourselves by not doing it.
If the best deal for us is trading picks with Brisbane so they get Ashcroft cheaper and that is better than using those picks another way then we do it. If trading those picks to other clubs is better than the Brisbane deal then we do that.
To me that has to be the proposition. Brisbane is just one club, we have another 16 that we are also trying to get an advantage over.
Na, just draft the #1 who plays in four flags, captains three of them, and wins two Norms.
Can 110% guarantee that nobody at the Richmond Football Club is giving a rats arse if a deal with Brisbane benefits us and them. They're at 11.55pm right now and we're at 6am. They are of no consequence to us at all at the moment. And when Levi is 25, we'll hopefully have gone past them as a collective - if we can get it right. Brisbane could be struggling by then. You don't know.
So who cares about Brisbane. Right now it's about Richmond and Richmond only.
101, fundamental, and basic football list strategy. For Richmond. And Richmond only.
So who cares about Brisbane. Right now it's about Richmond and Richmond only.
101, fundamental, and basic football list strategy. For Richmond. And Richmond only.
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Good to see you are finally on board with drafting Jagga Smith at pick 1.
We should have a terrific position come draft night, which may possibly see us acquiring picks 3, 6, 12 and 18, to add to pick 30,- (as well as keeping Shai and hoping for Jagga at 3).
It is also not beyond the realms of possibility that by trading Lynch and Short to Melbourne our position could be even further improved.
If such a position were achieved and with Shai still available to play mid, I wonder if we might offer our first two picks ie 1 and 21 plus? to GWS for Cadman.
I’d expect a polite refusal but it would at least shake the cage and create an expectation that we will come again.
It is also not beyond the realms of possibility that by trading Lynch and Short to Melbourne our position could be even further improved.
If such a position were achieved and with Shai still available to play mid, I wonder if we might offer our first two picks ie 1 and 21 plus? to GWS for Cadman.
I’d expect a polite refusal but it would at least shake the cage and create an expectation that we will come again.
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On current points standing Brisbane are 1800 points short of being able to draft both Ashcroft and Marshall if we bid on Ashcroft at #1. No club can go into deficit for more than 985 points ie the value of future pick 18. Therefore the Lions need to trade out players or lose Marshall. I’d be happy to bid on him early twenties. Gun footballer. We can bend Brisbane over and get both their pick 18 & F1 for next year. No other club can supply 1800 points except GCS and they’ll need to trade those for futures.
Nail Brisbane.
Spot on. It’s not our job to do what’s best for the league, it’s our job to do what’s best for us. Make the deal.
And a ball winning midfielder who runs all days and racked up possessions at Coates Level, starred at the champs just won the medal on the biggest stage of them all. Could easily be a Daicos and there is another one going to be taken at pick one by the mob who won it all and will play next year.
Seems to be a mould, a pipeline of player types that are having an impact right away. Our choice is becoming more obvious.
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We dont get Ashcroft. No way it happens.
Brisbane need to gain 250 points which is the equivalent of p50.
They can trade an expendable player or a future 2nd to get the points and then match.
Posting that we can get Ashcroft and Brisbane are gonna cop it is plain daft
So this. Ruthlessly this. Find the 1% advantage in everything. Push rules to the boundaries.
New era of being ruthless.
I'm not locking anything in. Strangely i don't work for the club.... They mustnt have seen my posting.
Its just my conjecture. No doubt thereare multiple provisions as there are multple deals to be negotiated.
I'ma keeping it simple and not worrying about the swapping of late picks that may or may not happen.
Trading for lions first will be a definite target imo
What pick 75 or 80 or 1359. Think I'd rather be looking with picks 29 - 39 - 41 - 47, or perhaps use those picks to improve our trade hand or for future picks.
Hmmm. Didn't know that clubs can't trade out or go into deficit for anything more than just a future first rounder if they need to amass points. Don't follow all the AFL rulings on that sort of stuff anywhere near closely enough.
Brisvegas deep in serious arse clench mode if they want both players this year.
We'd be looking at handing over picks 29 - 39 - 41 - 47 to give Brisvegas the necessary 1800 points while pick 18 is a return of 985 points plus whatever their future first would end up being. We'd then need to be hoping that none of these picks would be needed to bolster one of the other trade deals we're trying to do.
Thats not right what was said about the deficit being capped at the future R1. The deficit is the value of ALL of your future years picks, ie. for this year, Brisbane can take a deficit into next year of the value of F1, F2 and F3 as if they won the premiership. Ie. the value of Pick 18, 36 and 54 collectively.
That does not add up to the 1800 points they’d be short if both academy picks were Ashcroft @1 and Marshall before 25.
Also winning the flag has nothing to do with it. You can only have the value of the last pick in each round of the draft as they can not know your future position.
Brisbane would gut all their future picks and still be short of points. There only real options are
1 hand over 18 & F1
2 trade out players for points
3 hope both players are not bid on early
They have to negotiate.
