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2024 Draft Thread
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Absolutely, BUT they must also be able to kick. No try hards with poor skills. Turn overs kill you in today’s footy.
We are 2nd for turnovers in the AFL. (Number 1 for clangers).
Exactly Redders. It’s no coincidence that we’re last with stats like that.
Whoever we draft must be able to use the ball well.
No princesses and no butchers.
That shouldn’t be too hard to find with the picks we have (will have) should it?
Essendon, Carlton big winners from AFL’s draft academy, father-son changes
The AFL’s draft bidding overhaul has been unveiled — and it’s bad news for a host of clubs. JAY CLARK breaks down the winners and losers.
Jay Clark | News Sport Network
August 02, 2024 5:41 pm
Essendon stands to be the first big winner of the AFL’s confirmed draft changes as the club prepares to swoop on gun small forward Isaac Kako.
The AFL Commission on Friday approved a move to allow clubs to secure their top academy players from the first pick of the draft with Kako set to be taken inside the top-15.
He is the best small forward in this year’s pool and looms as a crucial pick up for a club on the lookout for more top-end small forward talent.
In previous years, clubs such as Melbourne (Mac Andrew) and St Kilda (Cam Mackenzie) have been dudded as they were banned from taking their star academy prospects inside the first 40 selections.
But new rules brought in for this year will allow Essendon to land the small forward the club wants, while Carlton is in a strong position to nab Ben and Lucas Camporeale as father-sons.
Brisbane is another club which has made moves to acquire father-son Levi Ashcroft and academy player Sam Marshall.
Importantly, the league’s football boss Laura Kane said improving the next generation academy access will help boost the number of indigenous and multicultural players in the game after a drop-off in indigenous recruitment.
“We believe removing restrictions on access to NGA talent will incentivise our clubs to invest and develop in their Indigenous and multicultural talent programs and felt strongly that this change should occur as soon as possible,” Kane said.
However, the four northern clubs, Sydney Swans, Brisbane, GWS Giants and Gold Coast stand to be the biggest losers from next year when the league brings in a new points system.
The new draft value index will have no points attached to picks after selection number 54 at the start of the fourth round meaning clubs won’t be allowed to accumulate bulk low-end picks to amass points for top-end talents.
Last year, Gold Coast took four players from a bumper academy crop but the northern clubs will find it much more difficult taking multiple academy players from next year’s draft.
The new system from 2025 will mean clubs will have to give up more to secure top-end or multiple father-sons and academy players, as the discount will be reduced to only 10 per cent.
Northern clubs have been adamant they should not be restricted from taking multiple academy prospects as the local talents are key to helping retain strong lists in the northern markets.
The go-home factor has been a considerable problem for Gold Coast and GWS Giants which is why the clubs have worked hard and invested money into setting up the pathway for local players.
As forecast, future trading of picks two years in advance will be brought in in 2025, while the trading of picks will be introduced in a mid-season trade period in 2026.
Clubs will have to use two first-round picks within a four-year window and board approval will be required to trade any first-round picks to help curb reckless decision-making.
Rookies who have played less than 10 games will be allowed to remain on a list for up to five seasons.
A change to the free agency compensation formula will also be invoked for this year to make the length of contract a factor in determining the pick clubs receive for losing a player.
Longer-term contracts up to five years for players leaving their clubs will help their original club receive better compensation than those departing on shorter-term contracts.
Kane said the league wanted clubs to pay a higher price for academy players from next year in a way which brought the system into line with father-son bidding.
“After an extensive consultation process with our clubs, it was clear that clubs wanted more flexibility and levers in this space and a fairer price to be paid for talent concessions,” Kane said.
“These changes are interconnected and important as they set the framework for list management and player movement.
“A strong theme following our consultation period was ensuring a fairer price was paid for access to talent concessions.”
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The AFL’s draft bidding overhaul has been unveiled — and it’s bad news for a host of clubs. JAY CLARK breaks down the winners and losers.
Jay Clark | News Sport Network
August 02, 2024 5:41 pm
Essendon stands to be the first big winner of the AFL’s confirmed draft changes as the club prepares to swoop on gun small forward Isaac Kako.
The AFL Commission on Friday approved a move to allow clubs to secure their top academy players from the first pick of the draft with Kako set to be taken inside the top-15.
He is the best small forward in this year’s pool and looms as a crucial pick up for a club on the lookout for more top-end small forward talent.
In previous years, clubs such as Melbourne (Mac Andrew) and St Kilda (Cam Mackenzie) have been dudded as they were banned from taking their star academy prospects inside the first 40 selections.
But new rules brought in for this year will allow Essendon to land the small forward the club wants, while Carlton is in a strong position to nab Ben and Lucas Camporeale as father-sons.
Brisbane is another club which has made moves to acquire father-son Levi Ashcroft and academy player Sam Marshall.
Importantly, the league’s football boss Laura Kane said improving the next generation academy access will help boost the number of indigenous and multicultural players in the game after a drop-off in indigenous recruitment.
“We believe removing restrictions on access to NGA talent will incentivise our clubs to invest and develop in their Indigenous and multicultural talent programs and felt strongly that this change should occur as soon as possible,” Kane said.
However, the four northern clubs, Sydney Swans, Brisbane, GWS Giants and Gold Coast stand to be the biggest losers from next year when the league brings in a new points system.
The new draft value index will have no points attached to picks after selection number 54 at the start of the fourth round meaning clubs won’t be allowed to accumulate bulk low-end picks to amass points for top-end talents.
Last year, Gold Coast took four players from a bumper academy crop but the northern clubs will find it much more difficult taking multiple academy players from next year’s draft.
The new system from 2025 will mean clubs will have to give up more to secure top-end or multiple father-sons and academy players, as the discount will be reduced to only 10 per cent.
Northern clubs have been adamant they should not be restricted from taking multiple academy prospects as the local talents are key to helping retain strong lists in the northern markets.
The go-home factor has been a considerable problem for Gold Coast and GWS Giants which is why the clubs have worked hard and invested money into setting up the pathway for local players.
As forecast, future trading of picks two years in advance will be brought in in 2025, while the trading of picks will be introduced in a mid-season trade period in 2026.
Clubs will have to use two first-round picks within a four-year window and board approval will be required to trade any first-round picks to help curb reckless decision-making.
Rookies who have played less than 10 games will be allowed to remain on a list for up to five seasons.
A change to the free agency compensation formula will also be invoked for this year to make the length of contract a factor in determining the pick clubs receive for losing a player.
Longer-term contracts up to five years for players leaving their clubs will help their original club receive better compensation than those departing on shorter-term contracts.
Kane said the league wanted clubs to pay a higher price for academy players from next year in a way which brought the system into line with father-son bidding.
“After an extensive consultation process with our clubs, it was clear that clubs wanted more flexibility and levers in this space and a fairer price to be paid for talent concessions,” Kane said.
“These changes are interconnected and important as they set the framework for list management and player movement.
“A strong theme following our consultation period was ensuring a fairer price was paid for access to talent concessions.”
Explained: Big winners, losers from AFL Draft bidding overhaul — Adelaide Advertiser
The AFL’s draft bidding overhaul has been unveiled — and it’s bad news for a host of clubs. JAY CLARK breaks down the winners and losers.
Staggering that it was even being considered for this year. Kane is a very unimpressive operator.
Surprised the Antsy one hasn't lodged a complaint about this ad. Surely there's some sort of legislation about sooling a massive feral attack animal onto a bunch of harmless n defenceless ants like that.
The free agency length of contract change this year will probably minimise Graham compensation
Joe Berry. Can he play up on the ball ?
This draft and our list is lacking midfield speed and polish. He's got speed and polish. Can he play on the ball ? He has Gulden possibilities if he can.
Whilst not big numbers, his midfield play v Sandringham last week was very very interesting.
This draft and our list is lacking midfield speed and polish. He's got speed and polish. Can he play on the ball ? He has Gulden possibilities if he can.
Whilst not big numbers, his midfield play v Sandringham last week was very very interesting.
Id take joe berry 5-10
He plays absolutely nothing like bailey fritch,
But hes that classy and regular inside 50
That's fair - but where do you rank athleticism and more precisely leg speed?
Given how slow we are would you prioritise the above and be content with brining in more guys who can't break lines?
Cos apart from the top end of the draft footballers won't have everything - so you have to give up something.
That's not all down to kicking skills.
It's only a component of it.
Personally think leg speed and the ability to run hard is just as big (if not more) of a factor.
Look at our dynasty teams or collingwood a premiership team last year. A number of just ok kicks.
But what those teams did was always present an option for the ball carrier - (by foot or hand) to move the ball.
It made the disposal less risky and easier to hit.
Compare that with our team atm, we are slow so static we are always dump kicking or having to make a difficult kick - impacting our clanger and turnover count.
Yes talent is critical. of course it is.
But what is it anyway? there are stacks of things that make up that word.
On competitiveness - disagree it can be developed. Not at all easily or in most cases at all.
Reckon It is the single hardest trait (talent ti leysy isn't a trait, kicking it marking is) to improve. You have it or you don't. It's what separates leaders and those that get the best from themselves to those that don't.
What does competitiveness mean ? There are stacks of things that make up that word. C'mon Nobets.
What games are you watching right now ?
Whilst competitiveness is extremely important, and if you want to give it some context and perhaps relate it to pressure, I actually raised it in another thread and how it had dropped off this year. But talent trumps it never the less in terms of priority.
Right now we look to be about 15th or so overall in terms of pressure rating. If we lifted it to top 10 we’d still probably only rise 2 or 3 spots on the ladder. You think Spain, Australia etc aren’t trying their guts out in the basketball at the Olympics ? Of course they are. But they are gonna get beaten by the USA because of what Nobets ? Superior talent. Every now and again the tables get turned for sure. But talent still trumps competitiveness in terms of importance. You could try your guts out to beat spoof to the brandy hour at Greenacres but he’s got more talent than you and leaves you behind with ease, every Friday night.
We are 15th for overall disposal efficiency in the AFL. We are 16th for kicking. Terrible. But hey, at least we are number 1 for something in the AFL – clangers ! But more importantly, an absolute killer in AFL football nowadays…..2nd for turnovers.
Amongst some other things( speed, competitiveness), our current talent level relative to skills and execution is absolutely appalling and it’s killing us. Uplift in talent and skill level should be the focus, first and foremost.
Note: pretty rich to be espousing competitiveness anyway when your number 1 player that you keep telling us all is fantastic – Ryan Simpson or whatever his name is – lacks it in spades. Talk about a lack of true conviction where competitiveness is concerned. Wake up to yourself Nobets.
What games are you watching right now ?
Whilst competitiveness is extremely important, and if you want to give it some context and perhaps relate it to pressure, I actually raised it in another thread and how it had dropped off this year. But talent trumps it never the less in terms of priority.
Right now we look to be about 15th or so overall in terms of pressure rating. If we lifted it to top 10 we’d still probably only rise 2 or 3 spots on the ladder. You think Spain, Australia etc aren’t trying their guts out in the basketball at the Olympics ? Of course they are. But they are gonna get beaten by the USA because of what Nobets ? Superior talent. Every now and again the tables get turned for sure. But talent still trumps competitiveness in terms of importance. You could try your guts out to beat spoof to the brandy hour at Greenacres but he’s got more talent than you and leaves you behind with ease, every Friday night.
We are 15th for overall disposal efficiency in the AFL. We are 16th for kicking. Terrible. But hey, at least we are number 1 for something in the AFL – clangers ! But more importantly, an absolute killer in AFL football nowadays…..2nd for turnovers.
Amongst some other things( speed, competitiveness), our current talent level relative to skills and execution is absolutely appalling and it’s killing us. Uplift in talent and skill level should be the focus, first and foremost.
Note: pretty rich to be espousing competitiveness anyway when your number 1 player that you keep telling us all is fantastic – Ryan Simpson or whatever his name is – lacks it in spades. Talk about a lack of true conviction where competitiveness is concerned. Wake up to yourself Nobets.
let's peel this back.
what comprises the word talent?
It's a very wide all encompsssing word you keep bringing up.
In terms of reference didn't Cooper and I give you a hint ? i.e. the ability to execute skills and keep possession. Critical in modern day football.
Now what compromises 's your "competitiveness" ? Is it chasing arses all day because you can't keep possession ? Great.
C'mon. What actually is "competitiveness" ?
Talent (skill level etc) trumps "competitiveness" in order of priority Nobets.
