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will we need to be vaccinated to attend games in 2022
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Lot to unpack here.
One of the things I noticed when I looked it up was just how few conditions mean that you can't take AZ. While we should all have a look at what we take the COVID vaccines do seem to be available for just about everyone. It's quit impressive really. My partners' brother has a number of conditions including MS and epilepsy, but the vaccine is fine for someone like him, in fact a bloody goo idea. So while we have concerns especially about elderly relatives, these vaccines have proven to be safe.
Yep, the big pharma companies are doing well out of this. Just a pity we no longer own CSL as it would be throwing big profits to our consolidated revenue. I'm sure Pfizer and Astra-Zeneka are doing very well. Still, they are providing something we need. Just hope the research institutions, like Oxford Uni for AZ, are also doing well.
Vax passports are a point of debate, but you are right, they are just going to happen, especially for international travel.
Vaccinations are clearly the way out of this, although there has been some talk of a 3 jab vaccination being enough for a longer time, we'll see.
DS
The viral loads in Vaccinated people can be up to 251 times higher than the unvaccinated. therefore a prime breeding ground for Variants.
Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam
Background: Data on breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant infections are limited.<br><br>Methods: We studied breakthrough infections among healthcare workers ofpapers.ssrn.com
FFS why distort what the paper says?
What you are claiming is that viral loads can be higher in vaccinated people, is that what the paper says?
Well, no, here's what the abstract says:
Plus, it also says:
It is the virus variant which is identified as the difference and the reason for the larger viral load, not the vaccine.
DS
Ever heard of group think? Are you gullible enough to think it's "all about the science"? Turn off the TV and do some research. ps. If you get the "vaccine" (experimental drug) why would you be concerned about people who have not taken an experimental drug? I'm not anti vax - could not care if you choose to take an experimental drug. Unless your like fascists and communism you should not have a problem with personal responsibility and the choice not to take an experimental drug.
They're welcome to my spot in standing room and it's got nothing to do with vaccines.
Suspect the AFL will be begging people to return.
*smile*.
Suspect the AFL will be begging people to return.
*smile*.
Unless they want to exist in bubbles again, they can't afford for an infected player to bring an entire club down. Many employers are edging towards mandatory vaccination without yet being willing to jump straight to it.
It really is an anthropological wonder that people can find themselves in a place like this.
I thought tigertime2 topped the list, but all of a sudden a new contender appears
I'm surprised you didn't finish off your post by saying "wake up!!"
On a more serious note, you've got it the wrong way around. You’re asking “why would you be concerned about people who have not taken an experimental drug?” The question we all should be asking is “why do people who refuse the vaccine try to force their uneducated views on others?” And why don’t people like you just STFU and keep your opinions to yourself?
But if you want me to answer your question I will. Anti-vaxxers are selfish. They are in it for themselves. They do not care about the best interests of the country and the people they care and love.
As for saying “I’m not anti-vax.” Yes you are. If you are against getting the COVID vaccine, that literally makes you anti-vax. No ifs or butts.
For those not aware, there's a sad but satisfying thread for just this purpose: https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
I'm a clearly pro vaxer but I still think other members of society should have the right to put into their bodies what they want to.
If they don't want to protect themselves & others from this isidious virus I don't understand it but I do understand why some have reservations.
They shouldn't be vilified for having that POV in spite of what the science says.
I'm must admit I'm not entirely confortably with the notion that we're dividing societies based on a jab that lets be honest is in it's early stages. It's not even approved for kids yet.
It's never been that way throughout history to divide society based on vaccines.
The vaccination is not mandatory however we're starting to mandate how people should live & move around. That concerns me somewhat.
The vaccination is my protection. If they don't want to protect themselves then that's on them.
If they don't want to protect themselves & others from this isidious virus I don't understand it but I do understand why some have reservations.
They shouldn't be vilified for having that POV in spite of what the science says.
I'm must admit I'm not entirely confortably with the notion that we're dividing societies based on a jab that lets be honest is in it's early stages. It's not even approved for kids yet.
It's never been that way throughout history to divide society based on vaccines.
The vaccination is not mandatory however we're starting to mandate how people should live & move around. That concerns me somewhat.
The vaccination is my protection. If they don't want to protect themselves then that's on them.
There are so many self-righteous statements being made without an understanding of the available data.
Fact - risk/benefit profile was the overriding factor associated with the emergency approval of vaccines by regulatory authorities in the face of the global health emergency caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This virus is the cause of the COVID-19 disease in infected people. In Aus, all vaccines (AZ, Pfizer & now Moderna) have only received "provisional" approval by the TGA (i.e. not enough data to grant full approval).
So you are both right and wrong David. Selecting certain snippets from academic articles can distort the intended messaging. Lets actually look at the full abstract of the key findings:
"Findings: Between 11th–25th June 2021 (week 7–8 after dose 2), 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. 49 were (pre)symptomatic with one requiring oxygen supplementation. All recovered uneventfully. 23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads or the development of symptoms.
Interpretation: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated with high viral loads, prolonged PCR positivity, and low levels of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies, explaining the transmission between the vaccinated people. Physical distancing measures remain critical to reduce SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant transmission."
To clarify, the term "breakthrough infections" refers to vaccinated individuals who have been infected with SARS-Cov-2. So yes this study would indeed suggest that vaccinated individuals do have high viral loads and thus are potentially responsible for ongoing transmission of the virus. In other words, they may not develop the COVID-19 disease, but they are able to transmit the virus!
Obviously, there is so much we do not know and extreme caution is urged when looking at a single study. What we do know is that we are in the midst of a global clinical trial and the data, while still limited, is thankfully starting to accumulate. For those individuals unsure of whether to vaccinate or not, an assessment of their risk/profile through consultations with their GP is the best way forward.
I think there is a lot to play out before normal crowds return to the footy in 2022....vaccinated or not.
Anti-vaxxers just peddle one bullsh*t excuse after another as a reason not to get vaccinated. None of them stand up to any semblance of scrutiny. Happy for them to be vilified and happy for them to be excluded from anything when life somewhat returns to normal.
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