When will Bernie go !!

[tigersnake]

Lambert into the guts and Dusty to FF with the game in the balance took the nerve of Andre Aggasi

can I nominate this for gold posts? I mean not on its own, but in the context of this thread? At first I thought this thread lacked all class, and I still do, to call for the coach to be sacked before the season even started is against everything footy represents to me personally, to call dimma Bernie, no class. But now, I kind of like it.

 

[tigersnake]

Easy, tiger! as was I. Let's just enjoy the wins, regardless of whose in charge eh? And the gameplan change has been long overdue, regardless of whether Caracella or Hardwick was the instigator.

sorry St Kev 'ol son but this is total horseshit. Head coach takes the heat, head coach takes the kudos, anything else is dumbsville

 

[gutfull]

Antman , agree with you , BARRON where are you mate Asian Tetley jeez there quite maybe hiding under a bed with there Collingwood slippers on .
suck it up )))

 

[easy_tiger]

can I nominate this for gold posts? I mean not on its own, but in the context of this thread?

coarse you can snake. contextual gold is a real thing.

 

[St Kevin]

sorry St Kev 'ol son but this is total horsesh!t. Head coach takes the heat, head coach takes the kudos, anything else is dumbsville

Oh I'm with you generally, and Dimma had some inspired moves this game. But I think given Caracella's pedigree, it's a tad naive to think that it's all Dimma and none of Blake's influence. Having said that, not really arsed whose baby it is as long as the wins keep coming. And if Dimma keeps up the coaching masterclass (Conca down back, Short in, Dusty to full forward, backing Houli in, Lambert to Treloar) the praise will come from those with half a brain.

 

[easy_tiger]

not really arsed whose baby it is as long as the wins keep coming.

:hihi

 

[AngryAnt]

Oh I'm with you generally, and Dimma had some inspired moves this game. But I think given Caracella's pedigree, it's a tad naive to think that it's all Dimma and none of Blake's influence. Having said that, not really arsed whose baby it is as long as the wins keep coming. And if Dimma keeps up the coaching masterclass (Conca down back, Short in, Dusty to full forward, backing Houli in, Lambert to Treloar) the praise will come from those with half a brain.

See, Dimma played this to absolute perfection. He knew Carlton would be easy-beats, so plonked Hunt in the side for that game, switched him out for Short in Round 2 after cunningly hiding Shorty for the whole of the pre-season. Made himself look like a genius.

Or maybe Blake told him to do all that, not really sure TBH. Leppa was involved too probably in some fashion. And maybe Balmey.

 

[St Kevin]

See, Dimma played this to absolute perfection. He knew Carlton would be easy-beats, so plonked Hunt in the side for that game, switched him out for Short in Round 2 after cunningly hiding Shorty for the whole of the pre-season. Made himself look like a genius.

Or maybe Blake told him to do all that, not really sure TBH. Leppa was involved too probably in some fashion. And maybe Balmey.

Don't forget, Peggy told him to chuck Lennon in. If only McBean was still on list, then there really would be something to crow about.

 

[Baloo]

Bloody hell. If beavis doesn't stop this winning *smile* we'll never get rid of him. Can't even depend on him to lose anymore.

 

[easy_tiger]

But now, I kind of like it.

this joint's rocking snake. Joy is the new misery

 

[ninjahaha]

Bloody hell. If beavis doesn't stop this winning *smile* we'll never get rid of him.

You mean if Blake doesn't stop winning! :hihi

 

[Sintiger]

Good post Sin, but the highlighted part is where we part ways and where you appear not to accept reality.

It was the REVIEW not Hardwick that led to upheaval with coaches, development , recruiting etc. Gale is on record that Balmey is appointed to implement the FINDINGS of the REVIEW. All the Hardwick 'neutrals' or apologists keep conveniently forgetting this. Also while the review was being implemented through restructure of most football positions at the club Hardwick was sent off on a long holiday. So let's get this clear the changes were imposed on Hardwick.

Now your point that Hardwick is embracing the change may be valid. First it's clear that he hasn't got much choice so why not. Look at his "Let's play' interview. In accepting he will release the brakes on the players he uses WTTE that Jack jumping for marks will annoy him and 'hopefully' being 'child like' will work. The non committal and perjorative words describing 'his' own change of plan tells you how emotionally and intellectual committed he is to the idea. In his mind he is already fashioning the response to his masters. " I knew it wouldn't work!

Finally there is a difference between intent and competence. Sure at times Dimma might have flirted with a more expansive game plan but he was suspicious of it and more importantly he didn't know how to properly implement it.

Exposed form over 7 years was that Hardwick didn't or couldn't change his ways. We have played a conservative riskless way for virtually all his time here.

Sure he was nudged last year and even the year before because cracks in his game plan were obvious. The key game last year was rd 3 Adelaide "the half step back game". The team picked was great and they took the game on but there was still little system involved.

And then he started walking back his comments straight after he said them and within weeks Shorty and other kids were out of the side and Hunt who was dropped comes straight back in next game.

We dabbled with speed in the bulldogs game and then that style vanished for the rest of the year.

Implementing an expansive game plan requires belief and 'competence'. It also means no mixed messages and sticking to the plan.

The great thing about this year is that we have an 'observable offensive pattern of ball movement:. We have played the same style for 4 weeks straight and we have been consistent in its execution with the same groups of players playing (mostly) in the correct positions.

Preseasons past have been a dog's breakfast of styles and personnel and not surprisingly we started most years disjointed.

Dimma knows where he stands. He can sulk or he can buy in. The first option he loses his job for sure. The second he might salvage it.

All of may or may not be true Lamby but I actually don't worry about it too much because there is no point me doing so. The reason is I don't know and I can't know. I have no idea whether Dimma was forced to change, coerced to change or leads the change but I am interested in the fact that he appears to be changing.

My post was really making two points. One is that despite the naysayers ( and there were plenty) the assistant coach changes and Balmey coming in does look like it has contributed to positive change and secondly that we shouldn't worry too much and state "facts" about things we don't know, like who are the catalysts to change .

 

[Baron Samedi]

So how did Dimma and co. go in the box last night? Reasonably well I would've thought.

Collingwood prevented us from kicking long with good frontal pressure, particularly in the first half. We hit F50 but not with any system or cohesion. Kudos to Collingwood, they rolled out very well and executed their plans.

They wanted to cause turnovers and release into space on the break. They did that but were wasteful in F50.

What I loved about last night was a subtle thing, but we clearly went out to play an attacking brand like we did last week. Dimma's critics like to say he loves an arm wrestle, and that is no doubt true, but the numbers suggest we wanted to score heavily last night.

In that first half we were smashed in the uncontested ball, but broke even in the contested ball. We also got double the inside 50s. That suggests we were long and direct and pressured Collingwood into more possessions than they would've liked across half back and in midfield.

After half time we simply kept pressing. Collingwood eventually wilted and we gained the ascendancy. You don't usually belt teams like Collingwood. Buckley likes to set up from the back and generally adopts a cautious structure.

The win was good. There'll be wins like this and there'll be ten goal beltings as well.

Considering we broke even in contested ball, I'd say selection was just about right. Lambert is very limited and I would've given his spot to Miles, but that's a minor quibble.

We are staying consistent with the plan we started our with in JLT. That is a must if Dimma wants to hang around. Already, you sense a stability in selection and tactics. Of course, the subsequent question is what was happening previously, but I'm happy to enjoy this ride without excessive criticism - as long as we stick to the game plan.

It won't always work, we won't always kick 20 goals, but it IS a little rusty and I think we'll be better for the run. Hopefully Hardwick thinks so too.

 

[asian tetley]

Antman , agree with you , BARRON where are you mate Asian Tetley jeez there quite maybe hiding under a bed with there Collingwood slippers on .
suck it up )))

Great to get the four points.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
At the end of the day Hardwick is a below ordinary coach, at best.
He ain't gonna take us to the promised land.

 

[shawry]

Im still of the opinion that Hardwick was re-signed last year on the proviso he takes the punt and bloods the plethora of juniors we palyed last year as they realised what we currently had wasn't going to get us past Rd 1 of the finals Dimma had successfully got us to the previous three seasons. And he took the heat of doing that all year last year and virtually admitted it early in the season. Im of the view he is a team player and took the heat and the contract on that basis knowing we were likely to have a down year.

Seems to hopefully be paying off now with a years experience under some of these blokes belts and a twinge to the gameplan (probably last year more trying to teach the defensive side to the youngsters, not that it necessarily worked).

Lets see how this season pans out.

 

[Puntrd64]

Current game plan and 2 selection nights this year belie that this was a project consciously started last year imo

 

[shawry]

Current game plan and 2 selection nights this year belie that this was a project consciously started last year imo

We differ in our opinion then, however I do note that yes the game plan definitely ha to change regardless.

I will add however our drafting etc. previous has led to speed etc. being a focus last two to three years (starting the Menadue, Drummond, Butler draft) and this was the start of this line of thinking in my opinion.

 

[year of the tiger]

Im still of the opinion that Hardwick was re-signed last year on the proviso he takes the punt and bloods the plethora of juniors we palyed last year as they realised what we currently had wasn't going to get us past Rd 1 of the finals Dimma had successfully got us to the previous three seasons. And he took the heat of doing that all year last year and virtually admitted it early in the season. Im of the view he is a team player and took the heat and the contract on that basis knowing we were likely to have a down year.

Seems to hopefully be paying off now with a years experience under some of these blokes belts and a twinge to the gameplan (probably last year more trying to teach the defensive side to the youngsters, not that it necessarily worked).

Lets see how this season pans out.

It's a fair theory - how the review fits I am not sure.

All I can do is compare this year to last and from that I know

1. We appear mentally stronger
2. We HAVE improved - last year we struggled against Carlton and lost to the Pies - now we are 2:0 with a good %
3. The players we blooded last year are now becoming good players - Roili Short
4. Our 3 inclusions are making us better
5. Changed our approach to the pre season and have continued that form into the season - no more slow starts to the season
6. Intoduced more speed in the team in the back half of the season and over the last 2 trading period and the trend continues
7. Improvement built via our reserves last year and that trend is continuing

And Hardwick has had nothing to do with any of this - give me a break

I agree with tigersnake - I have ignored this thread for most of the preseason as I have found the continued bagging tiresome, repetitive and quite offensive.

We still might not make the 8 but I prefer winning than losing

 

[ninjahaha]

We differ in our opinion then, however I do note that yes the game plan definitely ha to change regardless.

I will add however our drafting etc. previous has led to speed etc. being a focus last two to three years (starting the Menadue, Drummond, Butler draft) and this was the start of this line of thinking in my opinion.

Been arguing the same thing.


Was obvious after the loss in the final to port that we were not going to be a serious challenger!


Used all our picks on fast kids. Harwick's contract was extended under the knowledge we must undergo a change in players and style to reload for another tilt. Last year was the price we paid.


Getting in Blake to coach a better style of ball movement was a great move by the club.




The new game plan would have been built around all those things, no doubt that Blake has been bought in to have a big say in that.




To say its a fact that Dima has been put in a Gimp box and that he is not driving the change, along with the club is just confirmation bias. Posters are reading tea leaves and posting false logic as reality to support there own narrative over the past 5 years!

 

[Ian4]

But love or hate Dimma, or even if you just like him, or dont like him a little bit, hes busting some moves this year.

or is there an assistant in charge of the dance steps?

that's fair enough. but lets be serious... Collingwood are an average team that played a very Richmond-esque game by fluffing numerous chances in the first half. should have been 6 goals down at half time (at least). credit to the boys that we turned it around, but it wasn't very convincing. enjoy the win today lads because we will only win 1 of our next 5 games and be 3-4 come round 7.