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When will Bernie go !!
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I wanted Hardwick gone last year.
I was so so wrong about that. Should have trusted Benny and Peggy to do the right, measured thing.
To be fair to those on the new coach bandwagon in previous years, there was good reason for that perspective. The club recognised those weaknesses, but this is where a well run organisation with good people at the helm is a better decision making mechanism than mug supporters with a keyboard. They didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. They built on the strengths Hardwick has and brought in support for those weaknesses. Namely:
1. Unsuccessful Game plan: Caracella was brought in as 'ball movement' coach and completely redirected our game plan.
2. Players not being played to their strengths: Recruiter review identified players being played out of position, with recruiters suggesting new roles for established players (particularly Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Ellis and Vlastuin).
3. Non functional forward line: Leppitsch has been credited as the brains behind the mosquito fleet. That is, not using three talls in the forward line, and relying on pressure by speed.
4. On field/off field leadership: Neil Balme has had all sorts of influence this year. Things that have been reported - Reminding Hardwick that he needs to give on field leaders more responsibility on game day. Stream lining the leadership group to three people, who are our best and most obvious leaders. And lastly, providing a consistent message of confidence and enjoyment around the club while taking on some media responsibilities allowing Dimma to focus on his duties.
Now, to Hardwick's credit, his focus has always been on pressure, turnovers, and contested ball, with his planning over the last seven years laying the foundations for the finished product this year. Without that, Caracella's ball movement, Leppitch's forward line and the recruitment teams player positioning would have amounted to nought.
He also had the humility and ability to adapt, learn, listen and grow this year. A skill which should not be underestimated in the alpha personality of an AFL coach.
And critically, there is no other person in Australia who could have had the players playing for them as they did for him. The absolute buy in, the retaining of Dusty, the team culture and relationship, none of these things would have happened had Hardwick been jettisoned last year. And we would absolutely have not won a premiership without them.
Those who said that the only way for our club to have success was to sack Hardwick were inarguably wrong, and should accept that.
But a lot of the criticisms they had were justified, accurate, recognised and rectified by the club.
I'm just so damn happy that my club is run by smarter football and managerial people than the mug supporters, myself included.
And I loved seeing Dimma lifting the cup with Cotchy. Not sure the celebrations, the emotion, of the day would have been anywhere near as fulfilling the players without the man who has guided them for the last 8 years. They won it for him, as much as themselves.
I was so so wrong about that. Should have trusted Benny and Peggy to do the right, measured thing.
To be fair to those on the new coach bandwagon in previous years, there was good reason for that perspective. The club recognised those weaknesses, but this is where a well run organisation with good people at the helm is a better decision making mechanism than mug supporters with a keyboard. They didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. They built on the strengths Hardwick has and brought in support for those weaknesses. Namely:
1. Unsuccessful Game plan: Caracella was brought in as 'ball movement' coach and completely redirected our game plan.
2. Players not being played to their strengths: Recruiter review identified players being played out of position, with recruiters suggesting new roles for established players (particularly Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Ellis and Vlastuin).
3. Non functional forward line: Leppitsch has been credited as the brains behind the mosquito fleet. That is, not using three talls in the forward line, and relying on pressure by speed.
4. On field/off field leadership: Neil Balme has had all sorts of influence this year. Things that have been reported - Reminding Hardwick that he needs to give on field leaders more responsibility on game day. Stream lining the leadership group to three people, who are our best and most obvious leaders. And lastly, providing a consistent message of confidence and enjoyment around the club while taking on some media responsibilities allowing Dimma to focus on his duties.
Now, to Hardwick's credit, his focus has always been on pressure, turnovers, and contested ball, with his planning over the last seven years laying the foundations for the finished product this year. Without that, Caracella's ball movement, Leppitch's forward line and the recruitment teams player positioning would have amounted to nought.
He also had the humility and ability to adapt, learn, listen and grow this year. A skill which should not be underestimated in the alpha personality of an AFL coach.
And critically, there is no other person in Australia who could have had the players playing for them as they did for him. The absolute buy in, the retaining of Dusty, the team culture and relationship, none of these things would have happened had Hardwick been jettisoned last year. And we would absolutely have not won a premiership without them.
Those who said that the only way for our club to have success was to sack Hardwick were inarguably wrong, and should accept that.
But a lot of the criticisms they had were justified, accurate, recognised and rectified by the club.
I'm just so damn happy that my club is run by smarter football and managerial people than the mug supporters, myself included.
And I loved seeing Dimma lifting the cup with Cotchy. Not sure the celebrations, the emotion, of the day would have been anywhere near as fulfilling the players without the man who has guided them for the last 8 years. They won it for him, as much as themselves.
Antman, i now expect you to walk.
this image above, posted at 10.21pm, represents a clear failure on your behalf to ignore my posts.
almost every poster on PRE is aware of our agreement. they will know it was agreed on both sides.
this isn't about banter, it's about stalking, plain and simple.
I have notified Rosy and am hoping she can assist.
this is a serious matter and I expect you to keep your word.
Regardless of antman choosing to do the right thing, as of tonight, I am going on hiatus from PRE.
I stand by my opinions but many are unpopular and I seem to have ruffled too many feathers :hihi
I respect the site and its vast majority of posters, and appreciate the casual analysis it has offered.
I'll drop back in around September next year.
Go Tigers!
Baron Samedi said:
Antman, i now expect you to walk.
this image above represents a clear failure on your behalf to ignore my posts.
almost every poster on PRE is aware of our agreement. they will know it was agreed on both sides.
this isn't about banter, it's about stalking, plain and simple.
I have notified Rosy and am hoping she can assist.
this is a serious matter and I expect you to keep your word.
:rubhead
Baron Samedi said:
Antman, i now expect you to walk.
this image above, posted at 10.21pm, represents a clear failure on your behalf to ignore my posts.
almost every poster on PRE is aware of our agreement. they will know it was agreed on both sides.
this isn't about banter, it's about stalking, plain and simple.
I have notified Rosy and am hoping she can assist.
this is a serious matter and I expect you to keep your word.
I thought he was responding to my post or the others, it wasn't a summoning.
Bennnny
Punt Road End. The best place to watch The Tiges.
I supported Dimma until late last year as I felt he couldn't teach the players properly. I wondered what was going on. Now we know that he and the club were able to fix the issues and go forward with a new focus and attitude.
at the grand final to see all players VFL and GF team together was genius. Giving all the players a chance to share in the glory and pointers for the future.
the mindfulness stuff is brilliant. The greatest difference that has benefited us. All players are fit, can do what is required of them. But the mind games are most important. And Dimma conquered that.
at the grand final to see all players VFL and GF team together was genius. Giving all the players a chance to share in the glory and pointers for the future.
the mindfulness stuff is brilliant. The greatest difference that has benefited us. All players are fit, can do what is required of them. But the mind games are most important. And Dimma conquered that.
Baron Samedi said:
Antman, i now expect you to walk.
this image above, posted at 10.21pm, represents a clear failure on your behalf to ignore my posts.
almost every poster on PRE is aware of our agreement. they will know it was agreed on both sides.
this isn't about banter, it's about stalking, plain and simple.
I have notified Rosy and am hoping she can assist.
this is a serious matter and I expect you to keep your word.
Regardless of antman choosing to do the right thing, as of tonight, I am going on hiatus from PRE.
I stand by my opinions but many are unpopular and I seem to have ruffled too many feathers :hihi
I respect the site and its vast majority of posters, and appreciate the casual analysis it has offered.
I'll drop back in around September next year.
Go Tigers!
amazing. when someone upsets you its straight onto the high horse, when you annoy others its all 'but its all just good fun etc etc ha ha'.
yes your opinions are unpopular, and wrong. We won the flag with Dimma in the chair. Full stop.
I really don't understand why its so hard. 'I was wrong, Dimma is a supercoach, go tiges!'. If we'd crashed and burned I would have been wrong and admitted it, no problem.
tigerman said:Tigaman, how about changing the the name of the topic to....... When will Bernie go into the coaching hall of fame
In our mindset ( except for that witless Tigersnake) Bernie is there already alongside Immortals Tommy, Norm , Ron, Alistair, Jock, Kevin, Denis, David etc etc.
Tigaman said:
In that case, how about lose the Bernie?
Fair dinkum Tigerman. Who starts a thread bagging the coach, calling for his head, calling him an undignified name, BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS? Leave that crap to opposition *smile* heads. But, if I've learn't one thing, its that the opposition doesn't have a complete mortgage on *smile* heads. How much of a goose are you!? An irrefuteable, on-the-record goose.
tigersnake said:
Its not tigersnake, most of us just want someone else to admit they were wrong. I was wrong on Dimma, yes he has had assistance, but you have to acknowledge the man is a fantastic "coach" because that is what he is. He's won my respect, and it's not difficult to accept I was wrong. I've been wrong on Caddy, wrong on Astbury (thought he was too slow to make it), wrong on Houli (thought he would bottle it in the GF).......and I was wrong on Dimma, they did the right thing to extend his contract and get rid of the assistants they did.
Hopefully with some reflection the baron can come back with some perspective.
We're all tiger supporters after all.
MD Jazz said:
can't see it myself, perspective free zone. Yeah I went hard on Astbury and B Ellis. Was also sus on Houli in big games. Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Redemptions, faith, loyalty, its beautiful
1. It's a game
2. We won the PREMIERSHIP
3. Who gives a rat's who is right or wrong
Because
4. WE WON THE FLAG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lighten up and enjoy it everyone. This is a time for basking in the joy of a premiership.
2. We won the PREMIERSHIP
3. Who gives a rat's who is right or wrong
Because
4. WE WON THE FLAG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lighten up and enjoy it everyone. This is a time for basking in the joy of a premiership.
