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When will Bernie go !!
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If this is what it takes to build a sustainable successful era, I'll take it. Win the premiership and surely all is forgiven? Although some will never be able to taste the success with acid on their tongues
taztiger4 said:
Without the various challenges and unrest from many supporters not much would've changed. That's how I felt at the time
Although the challengers were poor/crap, they still identified certain changes that were needed and have seen implemented by the club(maybe by their own accord or via the review or even addressing challengers concerns, not sure). Our Q&A to the club, well or they cared about was the black wasn't black enough, rest of the responses to our concerns were dribble at best.
Who knows what when on in the board meeting or other meetings with the various challenges. For the good of the club(as results seen this year) they did pull away maybe with some assurances they were addressing all their concerns. Shown what we are not privy too and didn't put their names to go for the board positions. Eg change of game style, getting in a football director 2 things that come to mind.
If we had another 2016 year this year it would've been a different story. For the good of the club I am glad we are successful. 2 more games to go to win. Go Tiges
There it is, the sun cam up again this morning. Fantastic !
Only eight more sleeps till we see the mighty Tigers in action again, can't wait.
No doubt the telling of the last eight years of history about the Richmond football club will speak of the challenges involved in getting a club on its knees back into contention. About how many things can go wrong in that journey, about the fact that it is never a linear progression and that we made a lot of mistakes along the way.
Irrespective of who's version of events particularly written from the perspective of which fan is correct, will not both me in any way shape or form.
For those who think they know and use their version of facts to prove there story, I say congratulations to you.
Sleep well at night knowing in your world you are definitely and unconditionallly correct in your view.
Look around boys and girls there are far bigger fish to fry over the next few weeks.
The good news is though that once the season is finished we can all go back to our relevant sides dark or light and beat the *smile* out of each other until next season starts.
But just at this minute .................I dont give a flying. Go Tigers !
Only eight more sleeps till we see the mighty Tigers in action again, can't wait.
No doubt the telling of the last eight years of history about the Richmond football club will speak of the challenges involved in getting a club on its knees back into contention. About how many things can go wrong in that journey, about the fact that it is never a linear progression and that we made a lot of mistakes along the way.
Irrespective of who's version of events particularly written from the perspective of which fan is correct, will not both me in any way shape or form.
For those who think they know and use their version of facts to prove there story, I say congratulations to you.
Sleep well at night knowing in your world you are definitely and unconditionallly correct in your view.
Look around boys and girls there are far bigger fish to fry over the next few weeks.
The good news is though that once the season is finished we can all go back to our relevant sides dark or light and beat the *smile* out of each other until next season starts.
But just at this minute .................I dont give a flying. Go Tigers !
yandb said:
its up there with the dumbest analogies I've ever heard. But that, and the applause from from the crazy cultists doesn't surprise me.
When having success, it's human instinct for everyone to put their hands up to take credit, and when failing it's human instinct for everyone to point fingers at everybody else.
A strength of this club in recent years has been a willingness by those in charge to claim responsibility for club failures, and point the finger at others when we win.
It's a humbling, morale-boosting mindset. Dimma leads in this area.
A strength of this club in recent years has been a willingness by those in charge to claim responsibility for club failures, and point the finger at others when we win.
It's a humbling, morale-boosting mindset. Dimma leads in this area.
I'm surprised the more erudite of the Darksiders don't recognise the "Just Play" mantra as a conscious chook-feeding exercise from the club post-2016. We all know the stop-look-pass game plan disappeared into a cul-de-sac that year and had to be consigned to history. And the club had to sell a vision of a more positive brand in a simple, marketing-savvy way. Marketing theory says you can't sell a complex message, so you sell a simple one. And the Darkside bought it because it fits their "release the handbrake" critique to a T.
But if you actually look at how we play now, it's absolutely more attacking but still highly disciplined defensively and in intensity - I'd say more disciplined in many ways. Here's some examples.
1. High tackling pressure to create turnovers in F50. This has capitalised on a significant change in personnel but more importantly a big change in culture and intent. Goals from free kicks or we snap up the desperation kicks/handballs and go inside 50 again, or another scoring shot.
2. Relentless tackling pressure around the ground. See above - it all starts in F50 but the whole team carries out this philosophy from the mids to the backs. Personified by Cotchin and Prestia (and Nank) in the midfield. Grimes/Rance/Broad/Ellis in defense do this too.
3. Numbers to the contest. We win games because our fast runners get to the contest. This involves highly disciplined running back to get numbers to contests when we've lost the ball or the oppo has managed to get the ball out of their defensive 50. This has won us games - our fitness, youth and focus allows us to do this all game. Sides can match us for a half or a quarter through a major effort of will but they can't go with us for 120 minutes.
4. Preventing the switch of play/preventing easy pass/handball chains out of defence and into oppo F50. Requires incredibly disciplined zoning and marking to stop the switch. Last week Geelong also did this well to us just as they did at Skilled, but we still found ways through the corridor to score. By the end of the third quarter thanks to Dusty they couldn't do this anymore. But the point is that we make it incredibly hard for a side to bring the ball forward - that involves gut running, communication, leadership and physicality. That's discipline. Also helps our defense do their best work - almost all inside 50s are high balls into a contest or it's an easy intercept and we are going to win the ball back 70 times out of 100.
5. When we force a turnover - numbers at the contest, hard nuts Caddy/Cotch/Prestia/Sheds (with magic hands) will win the ball and get it out to a Dusty or another runner to bust them open. And we run in packs - once the ball is ours our mozzies immediately have the running patterns in F50 to get loose to receive a pass and boom, shot on goal. That's highly disciplined.
I'd look at it this way - as Dimma stated, Leppa trialled the small forward setup preseason, and then we doubled down on it as injury forced our hand - but it turned out to be highly successful. That's a successful pivot and Dimma and the coaching panel deserve great credit to see the potential and exploit it. Blake brought new midfield patterns and spread - no doubt. But that's only part of the story. Dimma brings - as he always has - discipline, focus, inspiration, man-management. And as all good leaders do, he lets his lieutenants play to their strengths.
As a last point - the Darksider notion that this game plan could have paid off in 2012-14 is peculiar. Just thinking about a forward line consisting of Tyrone/Griffins/Aaron Edwards/Chris Knights trying to execute a forward 50 intense pressure turnover game is hilarious. They wouldn't win many games but they might win the comedy premiership.
But if you actually look at how we play now, it's absolutely more attacking but still highly disciplined defensively and in intensity - I'd say more disciplined in many ways. Here's some examples.
1. High tackling pressure to create turnovers in F50. This has capitalised on a significant change in personnel but more importantly a big change in culture and intent. Goals from free kicks or we snap up the desperation kicks/handballs and go inside 50 again, or another scoring shot.
2. Relentless tackling pressure around the ground. See above - it all starts in F50 but the whole team carries out this philosophy from the mids to the backs. Personified by Cotchin and Prestia (and Nank) in the midfield. Grimes/Rance/Broad/Ellis in defense do this too.
3. Numbers to the contest. We win games because our fast runners get to the contest. This involves highly disciplined running back to get numbers to contests when we've lost the ball or the oppo has managed to get the ball out of their defensive 50. This has won us games - our fitness, youth and focus allows us to do this all game. Sides can match us for a half or a quarter through a major effort of will but they can't go with us for 120 minutes.
4. Preventing the switch of play/preventing easy pass/handball chains out of defence and into oppo F50. Requires incredibly disciplined zoning and marking to stop the switch. Last week Geelong also did this well to us just as they did at Skilled, but we still found ways through the corridor to score. By the end of the third quarter thanks to Dusty they couldn't do this anymore. But the point is that we make it incredibly hard for a side to bring the ball forward - that involves gut running, communication, leadership and physicality. That's discipline. Also helps our defense do their best work - almost all inside 50s are high balls into a contest or it's an easy intercept and we are going to win the ball back 70 times out of 100.
5. When we force a turnover - numbers at the contest, hard nuts Caddy/Cotch/Prestia/Sheds (with magic hands) will win the ball and get it out to a Dusty or another runner to bust them open. And we run in packs - once the ball is ours our mozzies immediately have the running patterns in F50 to get loose to receive a pass and boom, shot on goal. That's highly disciplined.
I'd look at it this way - as Dimma stated, Leppa trialled the small forward setup preseason, and then we doubled down on it as injury forced our hand - but it turned out to be highly successful. That's a successful pivot and Dimma and the coaching panel deserve great credit to see the potential and exploit it. Blake brought new midfield patterns and spread - no doubt. But that's only part of the story. Dimma brings - as he always has - discipline, focus, inspiration, man-management. And as all good leaders do, he lets his lieutenants play to their strengths.
As a last point - the Darksider notion that this game plan could have paid off in 2012-14 is peculiar. Just thinking about a forward line consisting of Tyrone/Griffins/Aaron Edwards/Chris Knights trying to execute a forward 50 intense pressure turnover game is hilarious. They wouldn't win many games but they might win the comedy premiership.
Fair post Anty. I think Dimma said they smash defence - meaning structured and disciplined and then freeball a bit more in attack.
But even the offence has rules. The big change in ball movement is that we go forward a lot more and sideways moves are a prelude to attack.
Your last paragraph is way off the mark however. Forward pressure has always been a Hardwick mantra but he was just incompetent in implementing it. Dimma played three talls and usually only 5 forwards and expected them to keep the ball in. I think he was blessed when he had Kingy who actually did the pressure work of two or three players, one of the reasons I loved the little fella.
I mentioned in previous years how if you wanted to play 'forward pressure' get more numbers in and get the right personnel in. We have actually lacked a reliable second and third tall for years now. In 2013 we relied on Aaron Edwards and Mcguane FFS.
All sorts of tactics are open to coaches. Our present one may have developed through circumstance but it could as easily have been tried in 2013. Our mosquitoes are great but King Shed Whitey and Foley could well have exerted speed pressure class and goal kicking nous in 2013.
I don't think many of Hardwick's critics have suggested he was not good at culture or defence.
He just had a tin ear in relation to offence or players who played on intuition (like Martin and Jack) and was a very poor innovative thinker although OK as an implementer of others ideas (primarily Clarkson's until this year.)
The model is working well now but you wouldn't want to lose Leppa and Blake (or Balmey). We had a bit of a dip when Leppa and Campbell left at the end of 2013.
But even the offence has rules. The big change in ball movement is that we go forward a lot more and sideways moves are a prelude to attack.
Your last paragraph is way off the mark however. Forward pressure has always been a Hardwick mantra but he was just incompetent in implementing it. Dimma played three talls and usually only 5 forwards and expected them to keep the ball in. I think he was blessed when he had Kingy who actually did the pressure work of two or three players, one of the reasons I loved the little fella.
I mentioned in previous years how if you wanted to play 'forward pressure' get more numbers in and get the right personnel in. We have actually lacked a reliable second and third tall for years now. In 2013 we relied on Aaron Edwards and Mcguane FFS.
All sorts of tactics are open to coaches. Our present one may have developed through circumstance but it could as easily have been tried in 2013. Our mosquitoes are great but King Shed Whitey and Foley could well have exerted speed pressure class and goal kicking nous in 2013.
I don't think many of Hardwick's critics have suggested he was not good at culture or defence.
He just had a tin ear in relation to offence or players who played on intuition (like Martin and Jack) and was a very poor innovative thinker although OK as an implementer of others ideas (primarily Clarkson's until this year.)
The model is working well now but you wouldn't want to lose Leppa and Blake (or Balmey). We had a bit of a dip when Leppa and Campbell left at the end of 2013.
