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Not really Baz. Didn't Lethal pull up for a little nanna nap during games, n he was one of the best? I'm sure I've seen him do it. Pretty sure he's also on the record that the work's all done during the week n match day is basically about reinforcing the message n system of what they're supposed to do. Teams are so heavily programmed n ingrained into systems nowadays that pulling moves n making adjustments rarely makes any difference.Baron Samedi said:
Even Scott mentioned that he'd tried to make a couple of adjustments n tried to open the game up a bit, to give them some chance as they were still right in the game at half time while playing crap. Look where all that premiership coach fiddling got them.
lamb22 said:
Really Lamby, to sheet home all blame to the boss when things are going bad, and praise the lieutenants when things are going well, is beyond dumb. You can spin it whichever way you want to make it seem like thats not what you're doing, or that it is fine and normal to do that, doesn't wash for a second. Its dumbsville. Nothing to do with logical analysis, footy knowledge, observation, any of that, its all about ego.
Baron Samedi said:
History will show who's full-fruitcake. Reminds me of a line out of a film, but can't quite place which one. Anyway it will come to me.
toby64 said:
We were arguably a better list in 2013. Kingy was better than George. Newman a handy half back. Deledio better than Prestia. Foley a better mid than Caddy. Had some handy support grunt in Jacko and Tuck.
What we lacked was Blake's gameplan and Leppa's 2017 forward line (although we had Leppa's defence).
We won 15 games this year, the same as 2013 and 2015.
Stop trying to push *smile* uphill and acknowledge that we've done this year what should have happened last 4 years. We've played our stars to their strengths and supported them with a game plan that best utilises their talents and not handcuffed them to a drone filled bottom 6.
Hunt Morris Hampson Batchelor Short Castagna Butler were all there in 15 and 16 We've just moved form sludge to speed.
TigerMasochist said:
Possibly, but then you see the likes of Malthouse describing match day as an intense game of chess.
There are an amazing variety of approaches and styles out there.
The reason I doubt Dimma is that he doesn't seem like a solid match day coach or an effective planner.
Yes, he is meticulous, but his micro control did not get us a finals win.
His assistants took over much of the style transition in the off season. This is on record.
What's his primary strength then? His man management seems very good, but you want your head coach to bring more elite skills to the table. Ideally.
tigersnake said:
If i'm wrong about Hardwick, I don't think I'll fear the recriminations of a casual fan forum, TS.
I am often wrong.
You seem overly invested TBH. I hold no grudge against you at all. It's fun and games.
Man management would be pretty near the top priority for a coach these days, Gotta manage the players, the assistants, the recruiters, the medicos n fitness, the admin and even the media n fans to a certain extent.Baron Samedi said:
Pretty sure these *smile* loads of companies n governments always head hunting elite specialists in various categories of function to improve their operation. We've been doing the same thing reasonably in recent years, end of last year we simply realised certain areas weren't working as well as expected n made some adjustments to our specialists. Bingo, it's gelled nicely n we're half a chance at the big dance.
lamb22 said:
The list wasn't good enough in 2015. Now it is significantly better. Have a look at the changes, both from the team that played that 2015 final, and also the support players who got games that year. Massive difference.
All this talk about how sh!t a coach he has been is absolute rot. You don't take that list to 15 wins in a year if you are a sh!t coach.
You reckon it was a top 4 list? It must have been one of the best of the modern era to win 15 games, finish a brain fade away from top 4, yet be so horribly hamstrung by a coach who shackled them all the way and had no idea about modern football.
Makes no sense Im afraid mutton.
Dimma has obviously received help along the way and the help this year is paying off (whereas in the past in may well have hindered him- have heard plenty of rumours about the negative influence of last year's assistants on the playing group). Thats why there are assistant coaches and not one man doing everything. He has a great relationship with the players which seems to be half the battle. But to say he is a sh!t coach with no idea as you have often is absolute rot.
lamb22 said:
I've argued long and hard and clear on this thread and others. Don't expect you to re-read anything of course, but to suggest supporting Dimma has been just because I like him is ridiculous.
And its not obvious. Nobody is denying the support team is tremendous, the best support team in the league! That part is obvious and I'd say I don't remeber reading a view by anyone disagreeing with that. But to then stretch that logic to Dimma is a lame duck, is, as I said, dumbsville. Really dumb.
Support of a coach, can only ever be and always has been, illogical and based on Fanboism !
Hate, spite and always being right is true wisdom!
