When will Bernie go !!

[lamb22]

Very interesting comments made by Dimma on Monday quoted in the Age.

"I was probably first and foremost an offensive-minded coach. I thought your best form of defence was your offence - we just threw it on its head," he said.

"We thought it's not working, let's go completely opposite. We have just smashed our defence. We have backed in our players to play offensively, we draft them because they have key strengths ... so let's just relax the offence and smash the defence."

Lots to digest. First he saw himself as an offensive coach but we struggled to kick more than 10 goals a game. Surely some alarm bells should have rung then that his 'overcoaching' as both he and Chocco coined it wasn't working.

Two - We now smash defence and "we have backed our players to play offensively". Music to my ears but Year 8 - Really? A lot of square pegs feel by the way side waiting for Dimma to have this revelation ( or rather be told of this revelation).

Also confirmed that Leppa wanted the small forward line early on and that was what was rolled out when I went to the first pre season game against the Crows ( which we won).

Anyway everyone on the same page at Tigerland now. I loved the reaction of the players after the game. Lots of love everywhere including for Dimma. Vindication for our fab four . Finals is where they belong. Haven't posted much as I'm still basking in the afterglow. I keep watching the replay from the point Geelong drew level and then 'Dustiny' took over!

 

[Tigertough1974]

Good post.

Some on here believe that the coaching department are cyborgs.

Bring in one or two advanced units and the rest are automatically upgraded.

No, Dimma is Mr Plod as a coach. We all know it except for a feral few.

We can win a flag this year. If caracella is poached, Dimma will have to find himself a new brain.

Wow you still don't get it... I think the Anty ban needs to be lifted, at least he kept you in check...

Its not 1 person carts, you could have Clarkson or bloody Kennedy, however if your surrounded (your team) by average people the result is normally average.

Its a collective, theres so many factors including Balme, the assistant coaches and the squad maturing and being close, to continue to bang on that he is detrimental to the club is just silly, you call others fanboys or what ever you do, but we don't beat the Cats by 51 points if the coach is *smile*, and more relevant Balme doesn't sit by and allow a possible extension (which i personally think is way to early even if we win a flag) if they guy has no idea, unless of course your suggesting Balme has no idea?

 

[AngryAnt]

Good post Lamby. Interesting that Dimma sees himself as offensive by inclination and we've certainly seen that at times in his tenure. The super defensive, careful ball movement post '13 was a failed experiment no doubt.

"Fail fast" is the lesson though and Dimma seems to have learnt it. Good is also the enemy of great - some success because you are good can prevent you from changing things up so you can be great - last year was a good thing if you consider it in that light.

 

[ahyeahnah]

Yep. I think we can all agree Hardwick is on track to be one of the all time great coaches.

He sure will be and I never doubted he would. Consider the extra *smile* he had to deal with, particularly the five years of compromised drafts. Sure he had a couple of misses along the way but by and large the recruiting, player development and game plan is paying dividends. I cant believe that people keep calling for his head. In 2007 Bomber Thompson was in pretty much an identical position to that of Dimma last year.

I'm sure that all of the arm chair experts will be waiting for Dimma to fail: what a shitty miserable life they all must lead. Mind you they will have to wait a few years and a couple of flags for that to happen.

 

[Baloo]

"Fail fast". Good is also the enemy of great

*groan* Have you become an executive career coach ?

 

[lamb22]

Good post Lamby. Interesting that Dimma sees himself as offensive by inclination and we've certainly seen that at times in his tenure. The super defensive, careful ball movement post '13 was a failed experiment no doubt.

"Fail fast" is the lesson though and Dimma seems to have learnt it. Good is also the enemy of great - some success because you are good can prevent you from changing things up so you can be great - last year was a good thing if you consider it in that light.

Agree. 2014 was the start of the problem. We failed in 2013 but you can forgive a young group and coach coming into their first finals campaign.

There was a bit of a disconnect between coaching and development from end of 14 when we did a 180 on selections and started picking outside run and a bit of flair but were still 'overcoached' in 15 and 16.

All come together this year though. I think we should have played a few more finals the last 3 years but that was no guarantee we would have won flags. For that the stars have to align and maybe this year they have.

BTW thank the spaghetti monster for Balmey. Common sense, calmness and confidence. Valuable commodities to show to the troops.

 

[AngryAnt]

*groan* Have you become an executive career coach ?

:hihi

Not far off the mark there Big Bear. I'm all about business agility and startup culture these days. :hihi :hihi

Good being the enemy of great is actually from Halt And Catch Fire, TV show set in the 80s technology scene. It's great for nerds like me.

 

[Baloo]

:hihi

Not far off the mark there Big Bear. I'm all about business agility and startup culture these days. :hihi :hihi

How did you not weave "digital" into that line ?

Good being the enemy of great is actually from Halt And Catch Fire, TV show set in the 80s technology scene. It's great for nerds like me.

Yeah, avid watcher. The main characters seem to have invented Compaq, CompuServe, Mosaic and Yahoo so far.

 

[AngryAnt]

How did you not weave "digital" into that line ?

Yeah, avid watcher. The main characters seem to have invented Compaq, CompuServe, Mosaic and Yahoo so far.

And Patrick is like Steve Jobs only much less successful and not quite as crazy.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Wow you still don't get it... I think the Anty ban needs to be lifted, at least he kept you in check...

Its not 1 person carts, you could have Clarkson or bloody Kennedy, however if your surrounded (your team) by average people the result is normally average.

Its a collective, theres so many factors including Balme, the assistant coaches and the squad maturing and being close, to continue to bang on that he is detrimental to the club is just silly, you call others fanboys or what ever you do, but we don't beat the Cats by 51 points if the coach is sh!t, and more relevant Balme doesn't sit by and allow a possible extension (which i personally think is way to early even if we win a flag) if they guy has no idea, unless of course your suggesting Balme has no idea?

Head coach needs to make decisions in the box.

No matter how sophisticated and resource-rich clubs get, this is still a primitive truth.

 

[tigertim]

:hihi

Not far off the mark there Big Bear. I'm all about business agility and startup culture these days. :hihi :hihi

Good being the enemy of great is actually from Halt And Catch Fire, TV show set in the 80s technology scene. It's great for nerds like me.

Have you watched Silicon Cowboys on Netflix?

 

[Mappa]

Got up this morning the sun is shining and the mighty tigers are still in calculation.

As you get older the one thing you learn is there are many versions of history.

It really depends on whose perspective is considered in the telling.

There are no magic pills in business or sport, sometimes it takes times to shift the dynamics of an organisation.

Sometimes that change comes easy and at others it is an absolute painful process, with improvement measures in cm rather than kilometres.

In the end good organisations get it write.

Enjoy the outcome, we have an opportunity to be part of a little bit of history.

The year the Tigers awoke.

If we pull it off, all this Dimma this, Dimma that crap will be placed in the back boxes of history.

Whatever we are or ar not doing at this point its working, I haven't seen a more united, balanced and together tigers outfit from bootstudder to President for many a year.

It really is a beautiful thing to behold, bring on next Saturday night.

Enjoy the Moment the rest is merely part of the pantomime.

 

[Ian4]

Apparently Dimma will be offered an extension at end of year.

Benny Gale on SEN

Anyone confirm?

load of crap. Benny was asked on SEN Monday if they will look into extending Dimma's contract. Benny's reply was that its not a consideration coz we are in the middle of a finals campaign. Then they sorta blind sighted Dimma on Talking Footy by telling him that Benny said "yes" to a contact extension on radio an hour earlier. fake news.

If you read back over all the Dimma bagging threads, including this one, (don't expect you to of course, but hypothetically), you would find that the consensus for a pass-mark for Dimma this year, dark/ light, smart/ dumb, a) was making the 8, and more importantly for reasons we are all well aware of, b) winning a final.

yep. he has reached my pass mark in terms of keeping his job for next year, but hasn't necessarily won an extension just yet. Firstly, losing a home prelim to a GWS or West Coast will be pretty hard to forgive if in the wash up it is determined that significant errors were made in the coaching box. And secondly, we will need to back it up next year to prove it was no fluke. Our list profile suggests we should improve.

Will be barracking like a feral during the prelim and hopefully the grand.
Don't rate Dimma as a coach though.
Rate Balme, Leppa and Cara, they have done an amazing job.
Interesting article in today's paper, re Leppa and our forward line.
Glad the club finally gave Damien the support structure he so desperately needed.

Can't wait for the prelim, hope the tiger army go ballistic and give the side a huge lift like last week.

yes, agree. but I am willing to give Dimma credit for 2017 at this point of time. Yes he has received significant help from Leppacella, but also seems to have swallowed his pride for the best interests of the team.

 

[lamb22]

yes, agree. but I am willing to give Dimma credit for 2017 at this point of time. Yes he has received significant help from Leppacella, but also seems to have swallowed his pride for the best interests of the team.

The amazing thing Ian is that they had to basically wrestle him to the ground and headlock him before he agreed to being successful.

 

[toby64]

Shrewd recruiting has certainly helped this year.

Nank, Caddy and Prestia have each been huge.

Injury free Grimes and Astbury as well.

The kids recruited in the past couple of years have certainly added to the team dynamic.

Much, much better team than those which failed in the finals of 2014 and 2015 in particular. 10 players played in that 2015 final who didn't play last Friday night. Looking back, amazing we won 15 games and were a Houli brain fade away from top 4 in 2015 with that side (particularly given our coach was apparently terrible and had no idea about modern football) :hihi

Shows it can turn around quickly if you get everything right.

 

[tigersnake]

The amazing thing Ian is that they had to basically wrestle him to the ground and headlock him before he agreed to being successful.

What is amazing is that you cling to that bizaare narrative.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Got up this morning the sun is shining and the mighty tigers are still in calculation.

As you get older the one thing you learn is there are many versions of history.

It really depends on whose perspective is considered in the telling.

There are no magic pills in business or sport, sometimes it takes times to shift the dynamics of an organisation.

Sometimes that change comes easy and at others it is an absolute painful process, with improvement measures in cm rather than kilometres.

In the end good organisations get it write.

Enjoy the outcome, we have an opportunity to be part of a little bit of history.

The year the Tigers awoke.

If we pull it off, all this Dimma this, Dimma that crap will be placed in the back boxes of history.

Whatever we are or ar not doing at this point its working, I haven't seen a more united, balanced and together tigers outfit from bootstudder to President for many a year.

It really is a beautiful thing to behold, bring on next Saturday night.

Enjoy the Moment the rest is merely part of the pantomime.

Like it Mappa

 

[AngryAnt]

Have you watched Silicon Cowboys on Netflix?

Nah.... Good Tim?

 

[tigertim]

Nah.... Good Tim?

Yeah a doco on the development and rise of Compaq from which I believe Halt and Catch fire was based on.

 

[tigersnake]

Like it Mappa

Of course you love it. Mappa's kum by ah approach lets you off the hook. Doesn't wash with me, history will show who was was full fruitcake and who was rational analyst and everything in between. Not many people will care of course, I have no illusions about that, its only a bunch of boofheads arguing on an anonymous fan forum, but, it will all be on the record, its what we do 8-