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When will Bernie go !!

Bill James said:
A friend of a friend who was told exactly that by Balme at Bill Barrots funeral. Who knows if he was joking. I guess 5:1 was performing so its now irrelevant.

A lot of changes were made around Dimma to get us to a PF, Balme for one, the assistants, the recruiting structure, trading out TV and Lids which looks to have helped playing group cohesion, focus on VFL performance, selection policy that rewarded form over endeavor, bringing in some contested ball winners in Caddy, Prestia and Nank.

A few other things were luck, Graham at pick 53, Townsend turning out to be a goal kicking defensive forward, running out of tall forwards and being forced to invent a one tall forward line that the competition hasn't quite worked out to combat.

The major change was the game plan. Dimma had carefully built a list and game plan around "forward press - create a forward 50 stoppage". Subsequent rule changes made this physically demanding congestion game plan impossible to implement; less interchange, protected space around the free kick, deliberate oob and deliberate rushed behind rules made it a lot harder to sustain a game plan designed to create stoppages in forward 50.

To Dimma's credit he has created or at worst allowed, a change in playing roster and game plan to "forward pressure - create a turnover". Personally I didn't think we could adapt the playing roster this quickly and doubted Dimma's ability to change. He has not only overseen a change in gameplan I think he has changed his personal management style. Players are not longer viewed through a prism of symptomatic KPI stats but as people with lives for whom enjoying what they do is important. Hats off to Dimma for being able to change.

Most credit has to go to Peggy and Gale for standing firm on their man, but also recognizing the problems, giving him more support and I presume suggesting to him that he had to personally make some changes.

All in all it feels like a club effort, rather than just players, coach or a dynamic president/ceo etc. Confess it makes me feel optimistic that we might spend the next 37 years closer to the top of the ladder than the bottom of the ladder.

Like it Bill.
 
its actually a risky game plan.

you commit blokes to black ops around the oppo ball carrier. if said oppo manages to get it out, its out. no zoning down the line. it's a F50 entry either way.

if we cause a turnover, there is immediate spread from that hot zone.

one thing dimma has started to do is trust his back six. rance is of course a master at reading the play. if he's not there to spoil, grimes will do it.

the best back six in the comp and the bedrock of this campaign.
 
tigersnake said:
Good heavy lifting Td. putting yourself out there as deranged for team benefit won't go un-noticed in the review.
God when some of you lot get on a roll and with the adrenalin of a final victory in your noses common sense and a simple review of the facts go out the bloody window. Assumptions and theories are pulled out of your collective backsides and written down as fact.

Hardwick is no coaching messiah and he knows that. He came under review at the end of 2016 because he coached poorly and stubbornly and left the season in tatters, much to the annoyance and anger of many on this blog. The club worked on finding the best solution that would save them face, not require a contract by-out and introduce some quality football people to the club. Hardwick had absolutely no say in this nor should he have had - he was the cause of these changes as decided by the club.

Less the 12 months on the Tigers are playing differently, Hardwick is trying to coach differently and does so because of those around him and the so-called love feast between him and the players goes on, which keeps a lot of punters here happy. The club has righted the ship, not Hardwick and he may lead the side to a premiership, and wouldn't that be wonderful, but if he is as honest a bloke as some say here, then he knows how fortunate he is to still be head-coach.

As for being deranged; living in the now and expressing some simple truths will do that to you, according to those that dally in fairytales and ignore obvious facts. Like all Tiger supporters I’m enjoying the ride and I hope we can go all the way. As for the future of Hardwick; he still has time left on his contract to convince the club he is worthy to go around again. :spin
 
Tigerdangerous said:
God when some of you lot get on a roll and with the adrenalin of a final victory in your noses common sense and a simple review of the facts go out the bloody window. Assumptions and theories are pulled out of your collective backsides and written down as fact.

Hardwick is no coaching messiah and he knows that. He came under review at the end of 2016 because he coached poorly and stubbornly and left the season in tatters, much to the annoyance and anger of many on this blog. The club worked on finding the best solution that would save them face, not require a contract by-out and introduce some quality football people to the club. Hardwick had absolutely no say in this nor should he have had - he was the cause of these changes as decided by the club.

Less the 12 months on the Tigers are playing differently, Hardwick is trying to coach differently and does so because of those around him and the so-called love feast between him and the players goes on, which keeps a lot of punters here happy. The club has righted the ship, not Hardwick and he may lead the side to a premiership, and wouldn't that be wonderful, but if he is as honest a bloke as some say here, then he knows how fortunate he is to still be head-coach.

As for being deranged; living in the now and expressing some simple truths will do that to you, according to those that dally in fairytales and ignore obvious facts. Like all Tiger supporters I’m enjoying the ride and I hope we can go all the way. As for the future of Hardwick; he still has time left on his contract to convince the club he is worthy to go around again. :spin

excellent post TD.

this is how I see it also.
 
Baron Samedi said:
its actually a risky game plan.

Yes, its weakness is if we get pressured in the midfield and have to kick up in the air down the line and get picked off in the forward line.

It seems the players have got with the program better in the last month and are less likely to do that and try hard to come inside.

Sydney and Geelong were the clubs that were most likely to try and pressure our midfield kicking with a ring of pressure. Problem for them is the MCG. Its a lot wider than their home grounds and its harder to keep teams contained.

Interesting listening to Roughead pre game yesterday explaining that you had work the angles against Sydney to stop them just setting up behind the kick down the line. If anything has typified the Clarkson era it is Hawks ability to shift the ball at 45 degrees to take it from the centre to the wings or the wings to the centre.
 
Tigerdangerous said:
God when some of you lot get on a roll and with the adrenalin of a final victory in your noses common sense and a simple review of the facts go out the bloody window. Assumptions and theories are pulled out of your collective backsides and written down as fact.

Hardwick is no coaching messiah

Sorry TD with all due respect you have missed the point we are trying to make.


We never expected The hardnut to be a messiah. Don't think any of us think he is. Since 2012 we have been trying to say the club as a whole had a long way to go before blaming all the failure on to one man. Seems like the club, the players, the list and the coach have all finally reached the place we all wanted all a long. To be a contender!


Considering the wave of spite we faced for daring to disagree with the Lynch mob. I think we are entitled to a little smugness!
 
ninjahaha said:
Sorry TD with all due respect you have missed the point we are trying to make.


We never expected The hardnut to be a messiah. Don't think any of us think he is. Since 2012 we have been trying to say the club as a whole had a long way to go before blaming all the failure on to one man. Seems like the club, the players, the list and the coach have all finally reached the place we all wanted all a long. To be a contender!


Considering the wave of spite we faced for daring to disagree with the Lynch mob. I think we are entitled to a little smugness!
What point have you made again? And feeling entitled to a little smugness is your way of explaining your sarcasm me thinks. And a little smugness can loose you a final so I hope the players are not feeling as entitled as you appear to be. And while a few media people see Hardwicks recent demeanor as calm I see him more as resigned; resigned to the fact that those around him and put there by the club have the tools and experience to turn the group into a premiership side with or without him.

But let's leave that for another discussion. ;)
 
After 7 years and untold '000's in wages and overseas trips (plus some changes to AFL rules which negated some of the handbrake) we finally have Dimma MarkVII to take us to the promised land.

Of course I pray he does too, :) but maybe we can "Tony Jewell" him when he wins the flag, then everyone bright and darksiders will be happy and this thread can finally close. ;D
 
Tigers make the GF Dimma will be signed on for another 3 year deal as he should be early in 2018..
 
jamo said:
Hardwick was terrible for 4 years, and deserved the pressure he had on him.

We all judge on what we have available too us, clearly we didn't realize how bad the assistants were going until we see the difference with the new ones.

Hardwick also realized he needs to be flexible and not so stubborn.

Neil Balme would also have a lot to do with the improvement.

Hardwick is lucky to have his job, It is great to see he has taken the second chance with 2 hands and has made some major changes, still needs to be more open to game day changes, example Rance on Taylor 4 weeks ago, He has however become better at making changes after a loss, something he struggled with over 3 consecutive finals losses.

If anyone says I told you so and I knew he was a possible premiereship coach based on his performance over the last 6 seasons, I call BULLDUST.

Oh so true Jamo.
Just watched the replay and BT said Damien's coaching record is now 89 wins 88 losses.
Clearly nothing to write home about.
However, he has got us a finals win and a great one at that.
It was fantastic!
But lets not forget Balme & Caracella, coz without them we would be nowhere.
So far an amazing effort.
Geez, i hope it continues, but when we control a final for a half and have a slender lead at half time, that is concerning.
We pressured and contested but we need more players on the ballpark who can kick it through the big sticks!
 
Tigerdangerous really flying the flag for the darksiders almost single-handedly. Huge effort. None of this insipid "let's just enjoy the win and not talk about the previous unpleasantness" nonsense for him.

Hopefully the Darkside will find their voice again as we move into next week. There's still time to talk about more potential challenges to the board guys! Lift!
 
There are a couple of notable absentees from this thread since Friday.

Must be hard..supercoach Ken Hinkley gets knocked out and Dud Dimma is in a prelim.
 
Everyone knows Darksiders are right when we fail and not wrong when we succeed. That's the brilliance of them. If they had an encounter with a Monty Python knight, the knight wouldn't shake his hand and step aside - nope, he'd realise he has no arms and say "you may pass". Thus, darksiders follow the Freudian approach of being unfalsifiable. Which is ironic, because us rusted on Richmond diehards could benefit from work by a decent Freud more than any other group :hihi
 
Tigerdangerous said:
What point have you made again? And feeling entitled to a little smugness is your way of explaining your sarcasm me thinks. And a little smugness can loose you a final so I hope the players are not feeling as entitled as you appear to be. And while a few media people see Hardwicks recent demeanor as calm I see him more as resigned; resigned to the fact that those around him and put there by the club have the tools and experience to turn the group into a premiership side with or without him.

But let's leave that for another discussion. ;)

I like this. So 'the club' is tremendous and rock solid, so good in fact, that it doesn't matter who the coach is, they're a lame duck. Creative. Still reckon you can lift though TD, lame duck is a pretty soft step down from total liability.