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When will Bernie go !!

One day to go.

Hardwick at least gets next year if we win.

I think we can.

Geelong don't usually annoy me much but the arrogance radiating off selwood, danger and Scott has been pretty hard to take.
 
Harry said:
New ideas?

It's concerning that our senior coach of 8+ years hasn't been able to teach his players the basic fundamentals of modern football. We've wasted many preseasons as a result and further confirms that the coach and game plan has been the problem not the list.

Wonder if Caddy gets a kick up the bum similar to Jack after his "the game went that way and we went this way" comment.

Reading the tea leaves isnt a strength of Dimmas.

Hopefully Balmeys on top of things and ensures the brains of our revival continues to lead our club into the future.

Confirms nothing of the sort.

If the gameplan was so bad, if his knowledge of modern football was so poor, how did he improve the win loss record of a team labelled worse than fitzroy in each of his first 4 years as coach, and take us to finals for three years straight, winning as many games as this year in 2 of those years?

Oh of course, it was the list. It was that good that it could overcome his horrible coaching and still win so many games.

Give me a spell.
 
toby64 said:
Confirms nothing of the sort.

If the gameplan was so bad, if his knowledge of modern football was so poor, how did he improve the win loss record of a team labelled worse than fitzroy in each of his first 4 years as coach, and take us to finals for three years straight, winning as many games as this year in 2 of those years?

Oh of course, it was the list. It was that good that it could overcome his horrible coaching and still win so many games.

Give me a spell.

Yeah have a spell.

Your view of the list has already been exposed as completely wrong.
 
Baron Samedi said:
Yeah have a spell.

You're view of the list has already been exposed as completely wrong.

The list you wanted rebuilt earlier this year and now 3 months later would be devastated if it doesn't win a flag?

That list?
 
toby64 said:
The list you wanted rebuilt earlier this year and now 3 months later would be devastated if it doesn't win a flag?

That list?

Never referred to this year. Was talking down the track as you know.

Was wrong about the midfield. Lambert and Caddy have provided great depth.

Now it's your turn Tobes.

You were wrong on our list. Nothing you say can be taken seriously until you admit it.
 
Baron Samedi said:
Never referred to this year. Was talking down the track as you know.

Was wrong about the midfield. Lambert and Caddy have provided great depth.

Now it's your turn Tobes.

You were wrong on our list. Nothing you say can be taken seriously until you admit it.


I can't be taken seriously?

Have a read of this crap written in May and compare to the crap you spew now!

Baron Samedi said:
Let me preface this by saying my view on Damien Hardwick has not changed. He is a poor coach and we need to move him on.

Yes, I've been bullish about the list. But I was wrong. At least, I underestimated the depth of our midfield in 2017. I now think we can't win a flag with this mob. We need a full rebuild.

Why? Because our midfield isn't good enough. We haven't recruited pure mids. Simple. We had many chances to do it. We didn't. So let's start again. By my reckoning there should be seven pure midfielders on the list helping Cotch and Dusty. Where did we go wrong? Not hard to see:

1) Brandon Ellis - a 200 gamer, but not a pure mid. Winger. I am a fan but in hindsight we needed a different type. Stuck in no-man's land now.

2) Nick Vlastuin - a 200 gamer, but not a pure mid (queries over tank). HBF.

3) Reece Conca - capable of 200 games pending injuries. Not a pure mid. Not really suited anywhere unfortunately. HBF is best go.

4) Corey Ellis - not big enough. not powerful enough. bust.

5) Ben Lennon - forward. will probably be traded / delisted if he can't pull his finger out.

6) Prestia - can't get his body going. every game off the park is a game we could be getting into the pick 6.

7) Caddy - thought he'd play mid but is too top-heavy and slow.

To play the high-press we clearly set up for at the start of the year we needed a high rotation of capable mids. We don't have it and won't have it unless we rebuild. Now we are stuck with a methodical tactical setup because we can't win the ball for long enough or apply mid pressure for long enough.

As widely noted, we have four once-in-a-generation players. Such a tragedy that we haven't been able to bolster their fine work with the requisite midfield quality.

To be clear, I thought we had chances to cement top four berths in 2013 and 2015. We botched them through poor tactics and selection. Over the journey Hardwick has had capable lists. No longer. Hardwick has to go, but the midfield issue is diabolical. A recruiting failure of the highest order.

We need to saddle up for some pain. It's tempting to suggest that because mids don't take forever to develop, we MIGHT be able to give our champions some joy while we can. But the realist in me suspects we are also critically deficient in a quality running half back and viable tall marking options.

We need to start again. New coach, new recruiting team. As much as it pains me to say it, we should trade off Dusty and Jack to facilitate high picks. Cotch and Rance should stay to provide leadership through the transition.

The rebuild is coming, of that I'm certain. Hopefully Balmey can see the writing on the wall. You can't win flags with only a handful of bona fide mids.

4 months is a long time in football isn't it Carts? :hihi

And for the record, I have admitted that I underestimated the list this year. But, again, I believe it is far superior to those "top 4" lists that you and others reckon was denied success by the coach. I'll side with people who have been involved in AFL football who shared that view rather than fans on an internet forum.
 
toby64 said:
I can't be taken seriously?

Have a read of this crap written in May and compare to the crap you spew now!

4 months is a long time in football isn't it Carts? :hihi

And for the record, I have admitted that I underestimated the list this year. But, again, I believe it is far superior to those "top 4" lists that you and others reckon was denied success by the coach. I'll side with people who have been involved in AFL football who shared that view rather than fans on an internet forum.

Already said I was wrong.

You aren't listening Tobes :hihi

For years I defended the list as top four. It clearly still is.

You, on the other hand, have been trashing the list for years.

You've been wrong since Jesus was a lad.

Probably why it's so hard for you to admit defeat :hihi

As for your internet forum jibe, why do you come here then?

Such a curious case :hihi
 
Sintiger said:
Honestly anyone who thinks that there is any chance whatsoever that there will be a successful Board challenge and a change in coach even if we go out in straight sets is seriously delusional.

Will not happen.

As for the so called damning comments by Caddy on Caracalla, knock me down with a feather .. a coach comes from another club with new ideas and methods. What a surprise that is . I thought that's why organisations brought new people in from elsewhere?

It's not just new ideas though. It's a complete 180 on the entire game plan Dimma was preaching.

Give him credit though for realising the folly of his previous ways and letting Blake have his way.
 
toby64 said:
I can't be taken seriously?

Have a read of this crap written in May and compare to the crap you spew now!

4 months is a long time in football isn't it Carts? :hihi

And for the record, I have admitted that I underestimated the list this year. But, again, I believe it is far superior to those "top 4" lists that you and others reckon was denied success by the coach. I'll side with people who have been involved in AFL football who shared that view rather than fans on an internet forum.

:theyareontome

toby64 said:
He's lost me if he reckons we don't need a rebuild. Said previously that's as delusional as some of the fans who reckon we have a top 4 list.
 
Tigertool said:
:theyareontome

You had to go back a year and a half? Surely there is something more recent than that. :hihi

BTW did you not read my admission I underestimated the list earlier this year?

Still don't think its good enough to win the flag though but we will see.
 
toby64 said:
Strange that you would search for this tool, when I admitted I underestimated the list earlier this year.

???

You're on Carts' case for the same thing though. I'd doubt you'd find anyone on here who accurately rated our list.

Dimma was delusional, you said it wasn't a top 4 list, and you also called for a full rebuild.

You said this after losses last year, just like what Carts said after losses this year. I don't see the difference.
 
Credit to Toby for admitting he was wrong. Respect.

Look Dimma may have some strengths as a coach (ie defensive setups and disciplines) and it's obvious alot of the players love him but it's concerning that he's off the pace with the modern game and a tactical genius he aint. Similar to Eade, he'd make a great assistant imo.

Like Toby hope I'm wrong and he lifts the cup this year.
 
This is too funny Tobes :hihi

You're drowning in qualifications and back pedals.

I was wrong about the rebuild. It was a sore moment after a few losses and it was silly.

My view of the list from 2013-16 was that it was top four quality.

That still holds.
 
Harry said:
Credit to Toby for admitting he was wrong. Respect.

Look Dimma may have some strengths as a coach (ie defensive setups and disciplines) and it's obvious alot of the players love him but it's concerning that he's off the pace with the modern game and a tactical genius he aint. Similar to Eade, he'd make a great assistant imo.

Like Toby hope I'm wrong and he lifts the cup this year.

Cheers Harry.

We all want the same thing at the end of the day.
 
That's true Tobes, and I apologise for being harsh. I seem to get into that mode on this site before big games ;D

I still can't quite believe that if we win tomorrow, we play an interstate side at the G in a PF, then probably the same again in the GF.

The concept of having such a golden path ahead still amazes me.

Everyone at the club deserves the highest praise for the home and away season.
 
Baron Samedi said:
That's true Tobes, and I apologise for being harsh. I seem to get into that mode on this site before big games ;D

I still can't quite believe that if we win tomorrow, we play an interstate side at the G in a PF, then probably the same again in the GF.

The concept of having such a golden path ahead still amazes me.

Everyone at the club deserves the highest praise.

Im a big boy Carts, I can handle it.

Yep its all a bit surreal at the moment. Going to be an unproductive couple of days at the office.
 
Some interesting comments from E Dunne and B Wood in the article on the 1980 flag players assessment of our chances on the club site.
Do we know what the Ernst and Young review found and advised? I don't.
Dunne says credit to Dimma for taking it on board and " accepting " it ( my words). Must have recommended change.
 
toby64 said:
If the gameplan was so bad, if his knowledge of modern football was so poor, how did he improve the win loss record of a team labelled worse than fitzroy in each of his first 4 years as coach

Maybe Dimma is a genius. It's all about expectations isn't it?

Richmond win 11 games in 2008, Toby gives Hardwick kudos for winning 6 games in 2010, 8 in 2011 and 10 in 2012. Why? because 2009 was a disaster.

Flash forward to 2016 Dimma decides to fully engage the handbrake. Despite this our boys still win 8 and throw away a few more including Collingwood and Geelong.

This year pre season Balmey and the assistants encourage Dimma to drive the Ferrari with the handbrake fully disengaged. Dimma reluctantly agrees and hey presto here we are!

Dimma is a genius but probably more in marketing than football.