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When will Bernie go !!

Will be Intresting the club and supporters expectations next season if Dusty walks and we take our picks to the draft? I think most would think if we bow straight out this year and are struggling mid season next year it would most likely be the end for Dimma, however a finals win and a good start again may mean a contract extension, whole heap of a intangibles yet.
 
tigersnake said:
We don’t just recruit duds anymore, we don’t stuff up every draft pick anymore, we don’t never make the 8 anymore, we don’t lose every big game anymore, and following on from all that, our culture has improved. To suggest otherwise is dumbsville. The only side that doesn’t lose some big games, and even they drop the odd one, is the powersides of the day, we are not a powerside yet. We’ve got a ways to go, nobody would dispute that. But everything is buggered? Come off it. Its brainless.

well I guess I am brainless and in dumbsville because the jury is still well and truly out for me.
 
Harry said:
If Bernie can't win one final this year with multiple AA players and a good batch of assistants then he needs to be honest with the club and supporters and walk.

Yes, that should be the starting position of any end of year discussions between the three Bs.
 
Ian4 said:
well I guess I am brainless and in dumbsville because the jury is still well and truly out for me.

So the Jury is out, and they'll bring back a verdict, 'Buggered' or 'tremendous'?
 
tigersnake said:
I really don’t see how any reasonable person can ‘agree’ with TD’s arguments. Sure there are some half-truths and grains of truth in there, just like there are in those of Donald trump, and even Kim Jong Un. These black and white views are useless, they do nobody any favours. TD’s view was true once. Back in the days of Spud and Wallet PRE pretty much had a consensus, recruiting and trading was abysmal, and we lost every game that had any sniff of importance, and usually by a big margin. We don’t just recruit duds anymore, we don’t stuff up every draft pick anymore, we don’t never make the 8 anymore, we don’t lose every big game anymore, and following on from all that, our culture has improved. To suggest otherwise is dumbsville. The only side that doesn’t lose some big games, and even they drop the odd one, is the powersides of the day, we are not a powerside yet. We’ve got a ways to go, nobody would dispute that. But everything is buggered? Come off it. Its brainless.
The argument always seems to get back to ‘I want a flag right now (who doesn’t), so failing that sack everyone’. Its Verucca Salt sh!t.
lol - you really are an exponent of "fake news" aren't you Tigersnake. Or in your case "fake posting" and hey don't ever let the truth get in the way of you telling a good story - comparing my to Trump and Jong Un. :rofl
 
Danny Frawley coached Richmond from 2000-04

Terry Wallace coached Richmond from 2005-09

Jade Rowlings coached Richmond for 11 games in 2009

Hardwick has coached Richmond since 2010

In the past 17 years we have played in 6 finals, winning a semi-final against Carlton in 2001 and losing the rest. Hardwick is coming to the end of his 8th year as coach with a less than impressive win/loss ratio; it's well recorded on this blog that he is a useless game day coach. He clearly plays his favourites who continually go missing when the crunch is on. The opposition worked out years ago that the Tigers are mentally weak and continue to be so under Hardwick and exploit that fragility time and again. Our goal kicking is an embarrassment and has been directly responsible for games being lost in 2017 and continues to cost us dearly every week.

What the club says, and how Hardwick performs as coach, selector and with a big say in who the club brings in from season to season, over 8 long years has produced ziltch; unless you count 3 finals losses as a measure of success? I don't. I believe Hardwick has been given more than enough time to develop a premiership team that has depth and a ruthless desire to win "every" game but I'm still not seeing it. The supporters are not seeing it and the media is not seeing it.

A club focused on winning a premiership will pay out Hardwick's remaining year of his contact at the end of the 2017 and begin the pre-season with a new head coach with new ideas and a very different approach to training, to game day coaching, to team selections and to influencing the recruiting. It's time.
 
tommystigers said:
Anyway. Back to topic.

Is 2017 all just smoke and mirrors? A nice cup of ice cold orange Kool Aid?

I thought I would have a look at where we are in 2017 compared to our two previous best seasons under Hardwick.

We might be playing a better style of football but we will be no better statistically than we were in 2013 and 2015 provided we win the next two games. Lose one of those and our home and away effort is worse.

2017 W 13 L 7 F 1715 A 1552 % 110.5 G 243 B 257
2015 W 15 L 7 F 1930 A 1568 % 123.1 G 280 B 250
2013 W 15 L 7 F 2154 A 1754 % 122.8 G 311 B 288

Do you see our performance this year as better than any other under Hardwick due to our ladder position? Or is it the same ole same ole?

We didn't lose 4 games by less than 10 points in any of those years. As far as I am concerned for consistency of performance, other than those 2 blow outs against Adelaide and Saints I can't remember us ever being more consistent performers than this year. I think we're playing a much better brand of football this year, I think our back line is the soundest it has ever been, and with a bit of luck we can finally win some finals. It's not going to be easy but we have a capable team but we need to play our best.
 
Take the first five rounds of season 2017 from the equation, and you might see that Richmond's results are barely par.

Is that a portent of how we will perform under the extreme pressure of finals' footy?

The writing is "on the wall" if not being displayed in neon lights last weekend!
 
Bernie said:
Take the first five rounds of season 2017 from the equation, and you might see that Richmond's results are barely par.

Is that a portent of how we will perform under the extreme pressure of finals' footy?

The writing is "on the wall" if not being displayed in neon lights last weekend!
On the other hand, take the two blow out games from the season and we're having a ripper year.

What meaningless drivel. Take out our first five wins and we're only just going, phhhhht.
 
Bernie said:
Take the first five rounds of season 2017 from the equation, and you might see that Richmond's results are barely par.

Is that a portent of how we will perform under the extreme pressure of finals' footy?

The writing is "on the wall" if not being displayed in neon lights last weekend!

Yep. If you take out the first 5 rounds and the last 5 rounds we have only won 4 games for the whole yr. Just not bloody good enough!
 
Bernie said:
Take the first five rounds of season 2017 from the equation, and you might see that Richmond's results are barely par.

Is that a portent of how we will perform under the extreme pressure of finals' footy?

The writing is "on the wall" if not being displayed in neon lights last weekend!
If you take out the second five rounds it looks pretty good.

Interesting concept, give clubs the option to drop there worst five games.
 
CC TIGER said:
Will be Intresting the club and supporters expectations next season if Dusty walks and we take our picks to the draft? I think most would think if we bow straight out this year and are struggling mid season next year it would most likely be the end for Dimma, however a finals win and a good start again may mean a contract extension, whole heap of a intangibles yet.
I agree with everything you said CC except for the Dusty bit. I believe the performance expectation will be the same regardless if Martin stays or goes. After 8 years at the helm you can't give any coach special dispensation and another contract extension just because he lost one player, no matter who that player is.

Like you said there a whole heap of intangibles yet that may influence the outcome but as Tony Cochrane said "Lets not gild the lily. This is a results based business. It is as simple as wins and losses."
 
Bernie said:
Take the first five rounds of season 2017 from the equation, and you might see that Richmond's results are barely par.

Is that a portent of how we will perform under the extreme pressure of finals' footy?

The writing is "on the wall" if not being displayed in neon lights last weekend!
And if we reverse the results of the 4 games we lost by less than 10 points we have 17 wins for the season and are on top of the ladder.
 
CarnTheTiges said:
And if we reverse the results of the 4 games we lost by less than 10 points we have 17 wins for the season and are on top of the ladder.

true, but if we reserve all our wins we end up 15th , not good enough FFS
 
Yeah and if we were granted 3 extra goals for the season and could allocate them to any games we want, we'd be sitting outright 1st, not good enough FFS. Fun game 8-
 
I just heard this morning that the tooth fairy is not real......can you believe that?

After all these years.......
 
Aegean Tiger said:
Yep. If you take out the first 5 rounds and the last 5 rounds we have only won 4 games for the whole yr. Just not bloody good enough!

Take out all the wins and we haven't won any.