When will Bernie go !!

[Tigers of Old]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Kick straight and we win

Could say that in many of our losses this year.
Unfortunately though we haven't improved our poor kicking for goal all year so it must be considered a genuine weakness rather than a one off.
It's extremely costly and proves the difference in tight contests. I can't see us fixing it.

 

[Harry]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

*smile*.

If only things were so simple.

Easy to be wise and all knowing from the sidelines and make claims that can't possibly be proven.

Anyway, if you had your way Astbury would have been at CHF weeks ago.

I love the armchair coaches who reckon by sitting in the stands they know more about the game than those who work with the players every day and have been involved in the game for umpteen years. "Play him here and pick him and we win, its so obvious".

Ridiculous in the extreme.

Good coaches make moves that win you the game. That's why they are good coaches. Bernie is just an average coach who struggles in high pressure games. No wonder his players freeze up also.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

*smile*.

If only things were so simple.

Easy to be wise and all knowing from the sidelines and make claims that can't possibly be proven.

Anyway, if you had your way Astbury would have been at CHF weeks ago.

I love the armchair coaches who reckon by sitting in the stands they know more about the game than those who work with the players every day and have been involved in the game for umpteen years. "Play him here and pick him and we win, its so obvious".

Ridiculous in the extreme.

X2. It is ridiculous in the extreme. Coach knows his players, backing them in is a big part of it. What message does it send if you're just reactive and wave the white flag? Dimma backed Rancey in the Port game after a slow start and he delivered.

Also this whole calling Dimma Bernie is pathetic, disrespectful, sniping *smile*. I could understand it at the start of the season, didn't like it but understood it, now its just pathetic. Shows a complete lack of respect and support for what our club is trying to do.

 

[Ridley]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Could say that in many of our losses this year.
Unfortunately though we haven't improved our poor kicking for goal all year so it must be considered a genuine weakness rather than a one off.
It's extremely costly and proves the difference in tight contests. I can't see us fixing it.

There is no doubt our poor goal kicking is a weakness; a mental fragility. Basically too many of our players go to water with set shots. Houli is a prime example. Have a look at his kicking technique; it is excellent. So how does a player who has a very sound kicking technique continually miss easy set shots like he did on Saturday? Mental fragility. It won't get any easier in finals either.

Ultimately it has cost us a top 2 position on the ladder and could well cost us top 4.

 

[Harry]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

There is no doubt our poor goal kicking is a weakness; a mental fragility. Basically too many of our players go to water with set shots. Houli is a prime example. Have a look at his kicking technique; it is excellent. So how does a player who has a very sound kicking technique continually miss easy set shots like he did on Saturday? Mental fragility. It won't get any easier in finals either.

Ultimately it has cost us a top 2 position on the ladder and could well cost us top 4.

Correct. It's the coaches responsibility to weed out the fragile players. Houli showed his tendency to melt under pressure in the Carlton EF loss and has done so in many high pressure games since yet Bernie persists with him.

 

[nikolasmia]

I agree with Harry.

I don't understand why Astbury was not on Harry.

I also don't understand why Dusty was not played more in the midfield.

 

[toby64]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Good coaches make moves that win you the game. That's why they are good coaches. Bernie is just an average coach who struggles in high pressure games. No wonder his players freeze up also.

Of course. Lets overlook the 13 wins this year because they were down to the players and the assistant coaches. He didn't make any moves in those to win us the game, like good coaches do.

But we lose a game when our best players are all down, and its because Dimma didn't make moves that the armchair critics assure us would have won us the game. And its his fault that the players freeze.

More *smile*.

 

[BT Tiger]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Of course. Lets overlook the 13 wins this year because they were down to the players and the assistant coaches. He didn't make any moves in those to win us the game, like good coaches do.

But we lose a game when our best players are all down, and its because Dimma didn't make moves that the armchair critics assure us would have won us the game. And its his fault that the players freeze.

More *smile*.

Yep, spot on Tobes

 

[Harry]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Of course. Lets overlook the 13 wins this year because they were down to the players and the assistant coaches. He didn't make any moves in those to win us the game, like good coaches do.

But we lose a game when our best players are all down, and its because Dimma didn't make moves that the armchair critics assure us would have won us the game. And its his fault that the players freeze.

More *smile*.

Good coaches have at least one final win to their name.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Old Bernie has been in charge for eight years.

If we go out in straight sets, that's five finals losses and zero wins.

Out you go Bernie.

 

[Ridley]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Of course. Lets overlook the 13 wins this year because they were down to the players and the assistant coaches. He didn't make any moves in those to win us the game, like good coaches do.

But we lose a game when our best players are all down, and its because Dimma didn't make moves that the armchair critics assure us would have won us the game. And its his fault that the players freeze.

More *smile*.

He should have switched Astbury on to Taylor Toby. That was pretty clear watching the game. Whether it would have won us the game is debatable but it was an obvious move as Taylor was destroying Rance and there was absolutely nothing to lose by making the move.

You are correct it is not his fault that players freeze. But it is his fault that he keeps selecting them despite history showing that this is exactly what they do. Houli, Grigg, Edwards are examples.

 

[toby64]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

He should have switched Astbury on to Taylor Toby. That was pretty clear watching the game. Whether it would have won us the game is debatable but it was an obvious move as Taylor was destroying Rance and there was absolutely nothing to lose by making the move.

You are correct it is not his fault that players freeze. But it is his fault that he keeps selecting them despite history showing that this is exactly what they do. Houli, Grigg, Edwards are examples.

Im sure there were good reasons why it didn't happen riddles. We have no idea what the dialogue was like in the box. Yep as an outsider looking in he should have made the move, but for some to claim that we would have won the game is ludicrous.

He has weeded out players the last few years. We already have one of the youngest teams in the comp. The drones are playing in the 2s. The replacements for these guys are young, inexperienced kids, most of whom have already been given a taste this year and have gone back to the 2s because their form didn't warrant them staying in the 1s... or the drones who have already shown they aren't up to it.

He can't just pluck able replacements out of thin air unfortunately.

 

[Ridley]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Im sure there were good reasons why it didn't happen riddles. We have no idea what the dialogue was like in the box. Yep as an outsider looking in he should have made the move, but for some to claim that we would have won the game is ludicrous.

He has weeded out players the last few years. We already have one of the youngest teams in the comp. The drones are playing in the 2s. The replacements for these guys are young, inexperienced kids, most of whom have already been given a taste this year and have gone back to the 2s because their form didn't warrant them staying in the 1s... or the drones who have already shown they aren't up to it.

He can't just pluck able replacements out of thin air unfortunately.

For what it's worth, IMO Short should be playing ahead of Houli. He had a couple of down weeks but he was very solid all season before that. Houli can play well against weaker teams but inevitable gets found out under pressure. Like Houli, Short can give us drive out of defence but I also think he is a more reliable footballer and not prone to the brain explosions that Houli can generate. I also think he's a better shot for goal. There's one change.

Grigg is a bit tougher as to who replaces him but the fact is his form has been pretty poor over the last 6-8 weeks after a good start. He needs to be accountable at this. Maybe Menadue or Markov could have an extended run in his role.

Many will disagree with this and Hardwick obviously does as well. But I can't see the point in relying on these blokes when they have historically come up short. IMO we will be a better side when we find replacements for players like Grigg and Houli.

 

[toby64]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Many will disagree with this and Hardwick obviously does as well. But I can't see the point in relying on these blokes when they have historically come up short. IMO we will be a better side when we find replacements for players like Grigg and Houli.

I agree with you on that for sure.

 

[evo]

Re: The Hardwick selection, coaching, post-game analysis disconnect

Bernie never misses an oppprtunity to miss an opportunity. Play miles and put astbury on taylor and we win the game. 2 of the more obvious moves.

yeah, I think he had a poor week this week.

I thought Bernie had become more flexible this season but he has certainly been stubborn in regards to Miles. And leaving Rance on their only viable key forward when he was clearly getting beaten was a pretty fundamental error.

 

[easy_tiger]

Anyone calling for houlis head this year has an extremely limited grasp on footy as a game IMHO

A HBF with a good mids disposal and metres numbers in 2017.

On the weekend, he should have kicked 3. Not many HBFers get in that position.

But i get that its all about bizarre self-congratulatory pre-season and post-loss misery and post-win absence in here

So its fair enough you get a week in the sun

 

[Ridley]

Anyone calling for houlis head this year has an extremely limited grasp on footy as a game IMHO

A HBF with a good mids disposal and metres numbers in 2017.

On the weekend, he should have kicked 3. Not many HBFers get in that position.

But i get that its all about bizarre self-congratulatory pre-season and post-loss misery and post-win absence in here

So its fair enough you get a week in the sun

Hyperbolic rubbish easy. It's an opinion and that's it. Based on Houli's track record in big games against strong opposition. He wasn't on his pat but his errors and panicking killed us on Saturday. His 2 missed sodas from 20m out dead in front were momentum killers. He kicks those as he should I reckon we win. Not to mention unnecessarily putting team mates under the pump with dodgy decisions and disposal.

You obviously rate him; fair enough. I don't. One could say that anyone who can't see the flaws in his game that have been exposed over a sustained period, and how they adversely impact the team, has an extremely limited grasp of footy as a game. But that would be hyperbole.

Again, would much rather Short in his role.

 

[Harry]

Been on the fence with houli for a long time does alot of good things in games alot of the time but has real bad form in big games and is very susceptible to going to water. Can't trust him in finals.

 

[tigers80]

Been on the fence with houli for a long time does alot of good things in games alot of the time but has real bad form in big games and is very susceptible to going to water. Can't trust him in finals.

But can we trust any of them, right down from the coaches to the players.

Only thing we can trust is that we the supporter will show up and support.

 

[YinnarTiger]

Hardwick seems to have brain explosions when caching against the Bobblehead Twins. This was another example of it.

Thank goodness Leppacella took over in round 11. Why did he have to hand the reins back in round 21?