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When will Bernie go !!
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Very weird thread, tons of abuse, argueing and also some nicities thrown in....
Certainly more interesting than discussing how awful the coach is
Certainly more interesting than discussing how awful the coach is
Leysy Days said:
The Dawks did dominate aerial marks I'd say, winning marks overall 94/91. They won CMs 15-8. Sicily even took 10 himself equalling Astbury, our best along with Caddy. But we evened up via chest or uncontested marks I'd say, and won I50 Ms 20-13. Rapt with that and didn't expect it.
The Tigers keep surprising me, delighted to be wrong. Dawks recent form and 2/2 wins over the Swans was impressive coming in. But the pressure, speed and tackling - I just saw on site tonight, for the first time since Hardwick took over, the Tigers have a positive tackling differential. That well and truly overcame their usually successful ball control, and I loved seeing it.
I still doubt Soldo is ready or good enough to not be a liability in finals, and I want another KPF, hoping for a miracle with Griffiths. But that's just my feelings/views. As long as we win, happy to be proven wrong. It's got nothing to do with carping negative trolling.
lamb22 said:
Such boring, weak-minded, repetitive evasion, Chops. I know it's beyond you to come up with anything actually relevant, but never mind. I don't rate your opinion, haven't for a long time, don't think anyone does much.
Walter Mitty!? Gawd, that hurts .... Funny movie with Danny Kaye when I was about 8.
Nowhere near as dangerous and nasty as an attack of the killer drones though!!! Watch out, Chops, I think Dimma and his Drones are gunna get you .... Keep the light on at all times. Sweet dreams ....
TOT70 said:
Oh please Tommy Hafey took a young team and a club that hadn't played finals for donkey's years to a flag in his second year in 67. Under Dimma Royce Hart would have been shunted off to South Australia for 10 premierships and Bartlett would have been sent to half back flank to learn defence, I pity those too young to know a real coach and a real team. Any suggestion that this guy (Hardwick) is cutting edge is a myth.
saigon tiger said:
In about 3-4 week i have a hunch you will need another argument, what will that be?. Either way id suggest you start working on it!
Should you not need another argument i would guess Dimma will either be going or be going in 12 months.
My eyes won't just be on Dimma in September.
There are no excuses for the players either.
They've got great momentum, the seniors are in great form, the youngsters bring energy, the ball movement is cohesive and damaging.
The leaders need to bring it and sustain it. All eyes on Chimp, tross and Jack.
In many ways a double chance brings pressure of its own. Straight sets defeat would be a massive blow.
It's so good to be in the game though.
There are no excuses for the players either.
They've got great momentum, the seniors are in great form, the youngsters bring energy, the ball movement is cohesive and damaging.
The leaders need to bring it and sustain it. All eyes on Chimp, tross and Jack.
In many ways a double chance brings pressure of its own. Straight sets defeat would be a massive blow.
It's so good to be in the game though.
TOT70 said:
When I was young the coaches were Jewell (post '80), Bourke, Patterson, Sproule, Bartlett, Jewell, Walls, Jeans, Geischen, Frawley, Wallet.. (well I was kind of young at this point. Younger than now anyway). T Hafey was coaching Collingwood.
So I basically never saw a good coach at Richmond when I was young.
Different story today though
antman said:
If you go back to page 1 of this thread I predicted "round 11," because I honesty thought we'd have about 3 wins on the board by then and the club would move to get rid of him. But I have said all along what he needed to do to keep his job in 2018 was to win a final (or perhaps make the preliminary final considering he's in his 8th year). I still stand by that, although there is no doubt we are performing far better than I had anticipated (If you refer to page 3 of the "Tip The Ladder" thread, I predicted bottom 6).
as for people wanting us to lose... that's an interesting one. would people want us to tank if the season was over to get better draft picks? I believe many would say yes. would people want us to have a bad year if they honestly thought it meant we would be better off in the long term? again, I believe many would say yes.
As many PREnders know, my grudge wasn't just against the coach but the board too. So would it be so bad if I thought it was in our best interests to fail this year to help drive change at the club? while it may turn out that the club got its footy department decisions right in last year's "review," my issue with the way the board functions with its boys club mentality and nominations committee, the lack of revenue and sponsorship, and lack of general clout for what most of us believe is a "big club" still stands.
Baron Samedi said:
O M G. Seen it but not sure I believe it.
Been saying this for years n there's been a few " experts " happy to laugh n deride, now one of the experts has crept out of the closet n pinched my thoughts. Always been a two way street, both the coach and the players required to step up to the plate.
puntrd64 said:
Sorry, over 55 as in 58, nearly as old as you. I was there that day, looking at the old Southern stand roof and loving the black and yellow guys. Can you believe it, it was fifty years ago?
I only know what happened on the field because I have watched the replay about 7 zillion times.
All good, happy to be called young.
jb03 said:
Coach Gms P W L D Win % F
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Coleman, John 133 34 24 9 1 72.06 2
Reynolds, *smile* 417 192 122 67 3 64.32 4
Bentley, Percy 414 104 64 38 2 62.50 3
McHale, Jock 714 459 280 173 6 61.66 8
Davis, Bob 116 78 44 29 5 59.62 1
Hafey, Tom 522 226 133 90 3 59.51 4
Hughes senior, Frank 378 239 140 96 3 59.21 5
Dyer senior, Jack 222 119 68 50 1 57.56 1
Longmire, John 168 42 24 18 - 57.14 1
Kyne, Phonse 272 179 99 79 1 55.59 2
Rose, Bob 282 220 120 97 3 55.23 -
Thompson, Mark 283 165 89 73 3 54.85 2
Sutton, Charlie 162 109 59 49 1 54.59 1
Hickey, Reg 304 178 96 80 2 54.49 3
Kennedy, John J. 412 268 144 120 4 54.48 3
Parkin, David 518 151 82 69 - 54.30 4
Malthouse, Mick 718 404 215 186 3 53.59 3
Pianto, Peter 105 28 15 13 - 53.57 -
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Ratten, Brett 120 88 34 54 - 38.64 - (59th)
Hardwick, Damien 176 126 47 77 2 38.10 - (60th)
Ratten and Hardwick together again, but well down the list.
Longmire the only current coach in the top group, which hints both at the difficulty of acquiring young talent in numbers through the modern draft system, and the potential of the current Sydney list (24 of his 42 games have been in 2016-17, with a 16-8 record).
Current coaches
Coach Gms P W L D Win % F
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Pyke, Don 43 21 14 7 - 66.67 -
Longmire, John 168 42 24 18 - 57.14 1
Beveridge, Luke 68 46 24 22 - 52.17 1
Simpson, Adam 89 29 15 14 - 51.72 -
Scott, Chris 161 28 14 14 - 50.00 1
Clarkson, Alastair 302 144 71 72 1 49.65 4
Buckley, Nathan 133 89 43 45 1 48.88 -
Hinkley, Ken 111 68 33 35 - 48.53 -
Worsfold, John 322 216 104 111 1 48.38 1
Cameron, Leon 87 65 30 33 2 47.69 -
Lyon, Ross 259 59 27 31 1 46.61 -
Goodwin, Simon 20 16 7 9 - 43.75 -
Eade, Rodney 377 152 60 89 3 40.46 -
Hardwick, Damien 176 126 47 77 2 38.10 -
Bolton, Brendon 46 22 8 14 - 36.36 -
Scott, Brad 176 71 24 47 - 33.80 -
Richardson, Alan R. 86 45 10 34 1 23.33 -
Fagan, Chris 19 18 3 15 - 16.67 -
Hardwick not faring so well here, but few of the above started from ground zero like Hardwick did. He had the worst record after 8 games of any of the 308 coaches to have coached 8+.
The concerning thing is that we are going to be younger than the other finalists, bar Melbourne, so Hardwick will need to improve his record for us to do any good.
