When will Bernie go !!

[toby64]

for all those flower-sniffers who see 2017 thus far as some kind of justification to throw spittle all over this thread, i ask you this simple question:

how do you explain the career best form of B Elllis, B Houli, D Astbury, S Grigg, N Vlastuin. all of them mature players who experienced downturns over the last three years. yes, all at the same time.

i'll give you a hint:

it ain't divine intervention.

ask yourselves whether they spontaneously sparked, along with Chimp, Tross and Dusty, who whether there was a more earthly reason.

such as ... a drastic change in philosophy and system, perhaps?

more tackles. less kicks.

more playing on. less time in possession.

more turnovers. more risk.

hardwick has been there eight years. and you all think he's had a coaching epiphany right now, coinciding with the arrival of several key assistants?

bright-siders, you are all chronically deluded. some of you know a thing or two about footy, and I have time for you, but most of you know very little. just the way it is!

so let's enjoy september, as I think we can cause some damage. good times

Wow.

 

[taztiger4]

yeah, i know Taz, but it had to be said :hihi i've had run-ins with you, and despite what you may think of me, I respect you're opinion, particularly on VFL matters.

all good, im looking forward to 2 wins down @ SS on Saturday

 

[Baron Samedi]

all good, im looking forward to 2 wins down @ SS on Saturday

yep, massive day for the club.

i think we'll beat them, belting the last monkey on the back.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Wow.

the list is good, tobes. it needs some more skilled youth, but right now it's very, very good.

 

[Sintiger]

We can analyse it to death. We can have theories about why and who.

I choose a different journey

I am going to sit back and enjoy it and not worry about why. I am going to support my footy team just as I always have because whatever I think is the reason matters stuff all.

We are winning and it's great

Go Tigers !!

 

[BT Tiger]

You can deflect all you want, but you have a history. Phantom was harassed off the site by your good self and Lamby and I endure constant commentary in every thread we visit. Rosy can't do much about it so I live with it but you need reminding buddy. It's lame and sad.

didn't want to gt involved in the petty argument you two are having but this is flat out hypocritical

You flooded this site in the early months of the year with your propaganda and rubbished anyone who dared disagree with you

Then when other posters start calling you out after the team results have proven you wrong, you start belly-aching that you're being attacked!

Diddums indeed!

 

[Baron Samedi]

didn't want to gt involved in the petty argument you two are having but this is flat out hypocritical

You flooded this site in the early months of the year with your propaganda and rubbished anyone who dared disagree with you

Then when other posters start calling you out after the team results have proven you wrong, you start belly-aching that you're being attacked!

Diddums indeed!

all this is a far cry from what Antman does BT. which is commonly known as stalking.

 

[AngryAnt]

didn't want to gt involved in the petty argument you two are having but this is flat out hypocritical

Hey I'm out - wasn't a conversation I started or wanted to have anyway. I appreciate how tedious it must be.

 

[ninjahaha]

didn't want to gt involved in the petty argument you two are having but this is flat out hypocritical

You flooded this site in the early months of the year with your propaganda and rubbished anyone who dared disagree with you

Then when other posters start calling you out after the team results have proven you wrong, you start belly-aching that you're being attacked!

Diddums indeed!

There are a few of of em who do it.

Stick the boots in with personal insults and tell us how much they know about footy before an event happens.

Despite the outcome being the opposite of their original "fact" they claim we don't have the footy knowledge to understand why they where right anyway.



Harwich hater's can't remember how adamant they where we could not recover from last year, they are still claiming high ground. They can't remember how violent to other posters they got who dare say "see it through". Still abusing everyone who doesn't acknowledge they where right all along!





But they have all told me I know nothing and that licking my pom poms have caused me to become insane. So what would I know. I am sure I'll be told again with some extra sauce the more we achieve.





I for one think it is an absolute disgrace.




Should have kept lurking. Results are more satisfying than their self righteous justification of their greatness! Oh and McJesus appeared to me in a vision and said to say hello!

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

It's not the first time. He reached it at the end of the home and away season in 2015 before the elimination final loss.

Was also at 50% after the R1 Carlton win last year. Then came the Collingwood/Taylor Hunt game that slipped through our fingers...

 

[Sintiger]

Was also at 50% after the R1 Carlton win last year. Then came the Collingwood/Taylor Hunt game that slipped through our fingers...

That's right forgot about that

Thanks for reminding me of that call colonwood game. Tried removing it from the memory banks

Dimma has never had more wins than losses, hopefully until Saturday

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

The stats say Dimma is a genius, and the problem is the length of time taken to build him a worthy team.

Record with older teams (100+ games):

Coach Gms P W L D Win % F
----------------------------------------------
Ratten, Brett 120 32 26 5 1 82.81 -
Hardwick, Damien 176 50 40 10 - 80.00 -
Scott, Chris 161 133 100 31 2 75.94 1
Hughes senior, Frank 378 139 104 34 1 75.18 5
Clarkson, Alastair 302 158 117 40 1 74.37 4
McHale, Jock 714 255 187 64 4 74.12 8
Clark, Norman 214 113 82 28 3 73.89 2
Davis, Bob 116 38 28 10 - 73.68 1
Pianto, Peter 105 77 55 21 1 72.08 -
Thompson, Mark 283 118 84 33 1 71.61 2
Longmire, John 168 126 89 35 2 71.43 1
Joyce, Alan 150 91 64 26 1 70.88 2
Hickey, Reg 304 126 88 37 1 70.24 3
Rose, Bob 282 62 43 18 1 70.16 -
Reynolds, *smile* 417 225 155 67 3 69.56 4
Hafey, Tom 522 296 203 92 1 68.75 4
Coleman, John 133 99 66 31 2 67.68 2
Sheedy, Kevin 679 343 229 109 5 67.49 4

Figures for current coaches are inflated slightly by beating up on the expansion clubs as they developed, but then 3 of Dimma's 10 losses were to Gold Coast.

 

[leon]

wait, what? are you suggesting that because some of us are critical, that means we don't deserve to enjoy the ride? that we should support another team? FMD.

And its not about ego champ. My opinion is a personal view that I feel strongly about because I am passionate about this club. Just because I am not a true believer, doesn't mean I am less of a supporter than you. I desperately want the RFC to succeed and didn't think it would have succeeded under the current regime (we still haven't achieved anything yet by the way).

And I put my money where my mouth is by drastically reducing my level of membership this year. If the fairytale occurs and we make and win the GF, you'll be happy to know that I'll be one who may end up losing out. after having the GF guarantee attached to my membership for about a dozen years, I gave it away this year. So don't worry, perhaps a "moandroner" such as myself will get what I deserve in the end, eh? After all, this is just more evidence that I am not a real supporter like you, which is enough to make me wanna switch teams.

Carn the Giants!!!

You asked me a question, Ian. That's my answer. Too bad you don't like it. I am often critical too, but I generally remain loyal to my club's Admin, Head Coach and players. It's a matter of balance. I like that way TM puts it; not throwing the toys out of the cot if things don't always go our way. After all, 10 flags - GCS & GWS none so far, Saints 1, Dees nothing since 1961/2 or something, Swans 2/3, Dogs 2 after stealing it last year. Overall, I've been really lucky to follow the Tiges - 5 flags in my lifetime. Sure, highly frustrating since 1980, many terrible mistakes but still some wonderful players and highlights to enjoy on the journey, even without the ultimate success.

That's all well documented on PRE and I expect you are a passionate supporter but the continuous sniping by moan-drones here is painful. Are you (not just you personally) onboard or wanting to sabotage at every hiccup? As if winning an AFL flag isn't a huge challenge with all the heavily favoured launch teams since the VFL termination, culminating in the latest expansion indulgences. The AFL do us no favours - just take our $$$$.

It's ironic to me you have such vitriol for this current regime; the most successful since the 80s with probably 4 finals appearances over the last 5 years. It's been the current Admin and Dimma who I think have corrected the ship, righted it to get on the course to possible success. Coming from a long way back. The appointment of a the new band of higher-quality assistant coaches, after another flat year, the latest success. I looked carefully late 2016, for any clear signs that Dimma had really lost the players, if they were no longer playing for him. I saw some awful losses which I decided were about nothing to gain, who cares, draft positioning. But believed he still had the players, shown by that great revenge win over the Filth (Rd. 20). He was lucky to survive, yes, but IMO his finals appearances with an average list justified another year (not 2, said this often).

I guess my point is, don't lose faith, it looks like you could pay a price for this if we ever reach the GF this year*, Ian. That's a real pity. We have gone through an awfully demoralising period overall, but once this Admin got this financial flop on it's feet, I knew there'd be a lag time before football success could ensue.

* Still don't think we have a good enough list to win it with only 1 KPF, but loving the ride in 2017. We are way ahead of my hopes this year.

 

[toby64]

the list is good, tobes. it needs some more skilled youth, but right now it's very, very good.

Yep I like the list now Carts. Off season additions and emergence of a raft of kids means it's way better than those of 2013-16 IMO

 

[tigersnake]

The stats say Dimma is a genius, and the problem is the length of time taken to build him a worthy team.

Record with older teams (100+ games):

Coach Gms P W L D Win % F
----------------------------------------------
Ratten, Brett 120 32 26 5 1 82.81 -
Hardwick, Damien 176 50 40 10 - 80.00 -
Scott, Chris 161 133 100 31 2 75.94 1
Hughes senior, Frank 378 139 104 34 1 75.18 5
Clarkson, Alastair 302 158 117 40 1 74.37 4
McHale, Jock 714 255 187 64 4 74.12 8
Clark, Norman 214 113 82 28 3 73.89 2
Davis, Bob 116 38 28 10 - 73.68 1
Pianto, Peter 105 77 55 21 1 72.08 -
Thompson, Mark 283 118 84 33 1 71.61 2
Longmire, John 168 126 89 35 2 71.43 1
Joyce, Alan 150 91 64 26 1 70.88 2
Hickey, Reg 304 126 88 37 1 70.24 3
Rose, Bob 282 62 43 18 1 70.16 -
Reynolds, *smile* 417 225 155 67 3 69.56 4
Hafey, Tom 522 296 203 92 1 68.75 4
Coleman, John 133 99 66 31 2 67.68 2
Sheedy, Kevin 679 343 229 109 5 67.49 4

Figures for current coaches are inflated slightly by beating up on the expansion clubs as they developed, but then 3 of Dimma's 10 losses were to Gold Coast.

good data as usual L2.

 

[TOT70]

The stats say Dimma is a genius, and the problem is the length of time taken to build him a worthy team.

Record with older teams (100+ games):

Coach Gms P W L D Win % F
----------------------------------------------
Ratten, Brett 120 32 26 5 1 82.81 -
Hardwick, Damien 176 50 40 10 - 80.00 -
Scott, Chris 161 133 100 31 2 75.94 1
Hughes senior, Frank 378 139 104 34 1 75.18 5
Clarkson, Alastair 302 158 117 40 1 74.37 4
McHale, Jock 714 255 187 64 4 74.12 8
Clark, Norman 214 113 82 28 3 73.89 2
Davis, Bob 116 38 28 10 - 73.68 1
Pianto, Peter 105 77 55 21 1 72.08 -
Thompson, Mark 283 118 84 33 1 71.61 2
Longmire, John 168 126 89 35 2 71.43 1
Joyce, Alan 150 91 64 26 1 70.88 2
Hickey, Reg 304 126 88 37 1 70.24 3
Rose, Bob 282 62 43 18 1 70.16 -
Reynolds, *smile* 417 225 155 67 3 69.56 4
Hafey, Tom 522 296 203 92 1 68.75 4
Coleman, John 133 99 66 31 2 67.68 2
Sheedy, Kevin 679 343 229 109 5 67.49 4

Figures for current coaches are inflated slightly by beating up on the expansion clubs as they developed, but then 3 of Dimma's 10 losses were to Gold Coast.

This is pretty compelling.

It is staggering that he has only had the older team 50 times in 176 outings. He has stuck to the principle of building from the ground up, over a lengthy period.

 

[jb03]

The stats say Dimma is a genius, and the problem is the length of time taken to build him a worthy team.

Record with older teams (100+ games):

Coach Gms P W L D Win % F
----------------------------------------------
Ratten, Brett 120 32 26 5 1 82.81 -
Hardwick, Damien 176 50 40 10 - 80.00 -
Scott, Chris 161 133 100 31 2 75.94 1
Hughes senior, Frank 378 139 104 34 1 75.18 5
Clarkson, Alastair 302 158 117 40 1 74.37 4
McHale, Jock 714 255 187 64 4 74.12 8
Clark, Norman 214 113 82 28 3 73.89 2
Davis, Bob 116 38 28 10 - 73.68 1
Pianto, Peter 105 77 55 21 1 72.08 -
Thompson, Mark 283 118 84 33 1 71.61 2
Longmire, John 168 126 89 35 2 71.43 1
Joyce, Alan 150 91 64 26 1 70.88 2
Hickey, Reg 304 126 88 37 1 70.24 3
Rose, Bob 282 62 43 18 1 70.16 -
Reynolds, *smile* 417 225 155 67 3 69.56 4
Hafey, Tom 522 296 203 92 1 68.75 4
Coleman, John 133 99 66 31 2 67.68 2
Sheedy, Kevin 679 343 229 109 5 67.49 4

Figures for current coaches are inflated slightly by beating up on the expansion clubs as they developed, but then 3 of Dimma's 10 losses were to Gold Coast.

Do you have a similar table with record with younger teams of coaches who have coached 100+ games.

 

[toby64]

This is pretty compelling.

It is staggering that he has only had the older team 50 times in 176 outings. He has stuck to the principle of building from the ground up, over a lengthy period.

Yeah great list L2.

 

[leon]

You mean like telling us we were no chance of beating Hawthorn last week haha?

What a great believer Leonie is.

Those two posts of mine are not related at all, something beyond your limited ken though, HazyDaze. Obviously the post you reply to completely out of context to above, which was my reply #3040 to Ian.

The later post was my thoughts on the game, where I am delighted to be wrong ... but wasn't entirely wrong. Will respond to that shortly. In the meantime, HazyDaze, get some more practise with those connect-the-dots puzzles in the kiddies' booklets you battle with. Still a long way to go, clearly.

Never seen much evidence of any of your posts proven wrong though, eh, HazyDaze?

:rofl :rofl

 

[leon]

Looks like Bernie will have his favourite choccies to choose from for a September surprise

Hampson, meanwhile, has been on the Tigers' long-term injury list since March with a lingering back injury and is set to play his first minutes for the season against Geelong's VFL team on Saturday.

Steve Morris is also set to play in Saturday morning's VFL match against Geelong should he get through a fitness test later in the week.

On the plus side Concs and Griff doing OK too.

So, in your world Chops, it would be better for the club if they all remain injured and unavailable, even for VFL? Such loyalty and commitment to the club's opportunities for success you show. Have you noticed that a) VFL team very likely to play finals or b) depth can be vital; injuries happen, any time?

No, always put slagging off at some players foremost, you have to be so right. I bet you can't sleep for nightmares about DRONES, ChopSuey.