When will Bernie go !!

[leon]

Last word Larry strikes again.

The only thing it bears out to me is that you seem to want to argue about everything.

Well ditto to you, LwL, because this presumably could have been the last word and YOU had to have it.

So just to keep you smugly self-satisfied, not to mention hypocritical, I've come back to keep you happy.

I chose to dispute the matter of a DH payout with you, not everything. Like BS, perhaps your mentor/hero or alias, you want to narrow discussions to a very limited point as defined by you. Whether his sacking was 'affordable' is really nebulous, subjective and meaningless. There is a much bigger financial picture it would be an integral part of, to factor in.

Isn't the Q that really matters: would this be the best use of $1m+ of the club's resources, heavily contributed by us members and followers?

Sorry if it pricked your 'financial expert' bubble. Happy now ... or do you want another 'last word'?

 

[leon]

No club that appoints a new coach knows whether he will "achieve the holy grail". If afl clubs worked on that logic they'd never replace their coaches because they,d never know if the replacement coach would "achieve the holy grail".

But I will say there's been a fair indication over the last 7 seasons that Dimma won't "acheive the holy grail".

There's a fair bit of logic to this coach being given the 2017 season to achieve an increased measure of success too. If you discount his first couple of seasons due to inheriting an inadequate and uneven list, then with some high quality players retiring, he has managed to make finals the previous 3 years. But failed badly in those games. However, this stacks up better than all other RFC coaches since the early 80s.

I have grave doubts about his prowess too on several criteria, but believe he deserved one last hurrah. Don't think anyone is going to have to wait until 2018 if he under-achieves; it's make or break this year, and most likely he will need to win a final or come home with a huge wet sail.

If and when he goes, I suspect it could be the demise of Benny, Peggy and many on her board too. Such massive change is not to be sought prematurely. This group of leaders have led the club back into being competitive at least until last season and we still had some good wins.

 

[leon]

He needs more time. We need to be patient for once.

Well said.

 

[leon]

Can't believe somone has been able to engage Sin in an argument. :hihi

Well I tried. Larry (Sin) used a lot of evasion though.

 

[Sintiger]

Well ditto to you, LwL, because this presumably could have been the last word and YOU had to have it.

So just to keep you smugly self-satisfied, not to mention hypocritical, I've come back to keep you happy.

I chose to dispute the matter of a DH payout with you, not everything. Like BS, perhaps your mentor/hero or alias, you want to narrow discussions to a very limited point as defined by you. Whether his sacking was 'affordable' is really nebulous, subjective and meaningless. There is a much bigger financial picture it would be an integral part of, to factor in.

Isn't the Q that really matters: would this be the best use of $1m+ of the club's resources, heavily contributed by us members and followers?

Sorry if it pricked your 'financial expert' bubble. Happy now ... or do you want another 'last word'?

Sure why not Lazza.

Baron, my mentor, hero or alias... :hihi. So funny, clearly you have not paid much attention to our interactions over th years. That's probably true because you would have been too preoccupied with arguing about something with someone.

You can dress it up in anyway you like but you chose to argue an issue with me that I hadn't raised or commented on. Admit it, you just like to argue

 

[Baloo]

Admit it, you just like to argue

To be fair he needs the practice.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Well ditto to you, LwL, because this presumably could have been the last word and YOU had to have it.

So just to keep you smugly self-satisfied, not to mention hypocritical, I've come back to keep you happy.

I chose to dispute the matter of a DH payout with you, not everything. Like BS, perhaps your mentor/hero or alias, you want to narrow discussions to a very limited point as defined by you. Whether his sacking was 'affordable' is really nebulous, subjective and meaningless. There is a much bigger financial picture it would be an integral part of, to factor in.

Isn't the Q that really matters: would this be the best use of $1m+ of the club's resources, heavily contributed by us members and followers?

Sorry if it pricked your 'financial expert' bubble. Happy now ... or do you want another 'last word'?

Leon, Sinners has shown more logic and class than you, just admit defeat and move on.

 

[easy_tiger]

To be fair he needs the practice.

An iron fist in a silk glove from the big bear.

 

[leon]

Sure why not Lazza.

Baron, my mentor, hero or alias... :hihi. So funny, clearly you have not paid much attention to our interactions over th years. That's probably true because you would have been too preoccupied with arguing about something with someone.

You can dress it up in anyway you like but you chose to argue an issue with me that I hadn't raised or commented on. Admit it, you just like to argue

See, you had to have another 'last word'. I knew it. I hate to admit it, but sometimes I do just like to annoy some posters, for a variety of reasons. I know I was being harsh on you, but I was making what I still think is the greater point. Don't think the 'affordable' issue means anything.

As for you and BS, was just being mischievous. Pleased that you objected to the positive linkage; suspected that but didn't bother to check. I just thought it'd be annoying.

There was a guy named Socrates; loved to argue too. One of the greatest characters in history to my mind. We all need frequent questioning, especially our leaders and powers that be. I find my two young adult children have challenged me all the time over recent years, and made me a better person for it.

But if it's any comfort, poor old Socrates ended badly.

 

[leon]

Leon, Sinners has shown more logic and class than you, just admit defeat and move on.

The man just forfeited any argument from the outset, BS, because once I expanded it, he opted out fully. Reminds me of you in many ways. But went over your head of course.

I toss a few ideas, counter-arguments at you, and you try to limit the discussion to one little point that you think you can win on, dodging most shots.

Hardly defeated; hardly even challenged. Just getting a laugh out of the ducking and weaving usually. Then the rusted-on posters rush in to defend their embattled little mates, crying foul, you're being mean and not playing nice!

Your fixation on sacking DH as the panacea to all that holds RFC back is like belonging to the flat earth society. I don't subscribe to conformist thinking if possible, problems are usually complex, multi-faceted.

 

[leon]

An iron fist in a silk glove from the big bear.

Silly attempt at an anthropomorphic allusion, ET. Expect better of you. Not sure if bears can make a fist and they have these claws presenting problems with any gloves, let alone silk. You're also assuming a bear would ever wear one. Got my doubts overall.

But I hope you're not inferring anything about Baloo's body-shape, appearance, body-odours, appetite or eating habits. You just need to be more sensitive and PC these days.

 

[leon]

To be fair he needs the practice.

Hardly; don't just do cop-out one-liners to others floating into discussions they have been no part of.

 

[Baron Samedi]

The man just forfeited any argument from the outset, BS, because once I expanded it, he opted out fully. Reminds me of you in many ways. But went over your head of course.

I toss a few ideas, counter-arguments at you, and you try to limit the discussion to one little point that you think you can win on, dodging most shots.

Hardly defeated; hardly even challenged. Just getting a laugh out of the ducking and weaving usually. Then the rusted-on posters rush in to defend their embattled little mates, crying foul, you're being mean and not playing nice!

Your fixation on sacking DH as the panacea to all that holds RFC back is like belonging to the flat earth society. I don't subscribe to conformist thinking if possible, problems are usually complex, multi-faceted.

I think it's more that people find your arguments erratic and meandering. To debate each and every point with you would be to visit crazy town for a while. Not sure if many here are willing to do that. I certainly ain't.

 

[Sintiger]

The man just forfeited any argument from the outset, BS, because once I expanded it, he opted out fully. Reminds me of you in many ways. But went over your head of course.

Nah.
There was a post, I answered it. You stuck your nose in and started to debate something else and I made clear from the first moment that I didn't wish to debate it at this point. You just didn't accept it.
The reason I don't want to debate it now is that a decision such as that is one that will involve football/on field performance and money and to me really depends on how bad we are on field. It is a pointless discussion right now because it deals with so many hypotheticals.
I think that is a perfectly reasonable position to take and to be honest if you don't I don't really care

 

[Tigaman]

All quiet on the Bernie front at the moment. Propaganda coming out of Punt Road has been about Peggy writing up that Dusty is happy as a lark up a lemon tree on Punt Road. Also roared is Tigers got it wrong about Jack playing up field last season. Actually they were not wrong about Jack playing up field as Jack had to go up field so he could get some stats on the board. Was not going to get any stats if he stayed at FF was he ?. So what is Bernie up to ?. My guess down in the bunker plotting a path to pick stalwarts Sheds , Concanuts , Batch , Aspro , Morris , Lemmon , Grimey , Lambert & Houli in the starting line up at The G come 23 March . Reminds me of trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

 

[Baron Samedi]

All quiet on the Bernie front at the moment. Propaganda coming out of Punt Road has been about Peggy writing up that Dusty is happy as a lark up a lemon tree on Punt Road. Also roared is Tigers got it wrong about Jack playing up field last season. Actually they were not wrong about Jack playing up field as Jack had to go up field so he could get some stats on the board. Was not going to get any stats if he stayed at FF was he ?. So what is Bernie up to ?. My guess down in the bunker plotting a path to pick stalwarts Sheds , Concanuts , Batch , Aspro , Morris , Lemmon , Grimey , Lambert & Houli in the starting line up at The G come 23 March . Reminds me of trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

I'll take Grub and Houli from that lot Tigaman!

But yes, you can just see it happening can't you :hihi

 

[Baron Samedi]

The opinion I gave was on where I though we would finish as opposed to the opinion that we will finish last!

Anywho...

Thanks for asking! ;D

Well it isn't

Short answer...

Don't think a new coach is going to get us what we all seek. i.e. a Flag. Also don't think that sticking with the one we have will win us a flag. Its about a whole club, so many things needed/need addressing.






this leads to the long answer...


I believe that the club was well aware that after the port (final) loss that the list and club was way off!. Since they have been drafting kids and trying to add top end talent (i.e. the big Fish.) on field as well as strong off field support. Mounting a deliberate assent from bordering the 8 to playing prelims and giving us a shot at the ultimate. Without going "all in" for one unlikely roll of the dice, then back to the drawing board after it failed. i.e. the new 5 year plan!


A new coach in my opinion wouldn't have got us a flag. Not looking for a guarantee, there is no such thing. But I believe that strong clubs do not look for the shinny new saviour. Good clubs have got it all. Leaders, board members, administrators, footy departments heads, coaches, medical and fitness staff. On field leaders, Guns, stars, hard bodies captains and depth... etc etc

I hope we have added to the strength of the club as a whole.


With a load of potential young talent, a hand full of mature genuine top end players and a pocket full of 1st round draft picks, regardless of what happens this year we don't have to wait another 5-10 years for finals. That is worst case scenario. Best case we go deep into September and have a shot at what we all want.


The club in my opinion is the strongest its been for as long as can remember. A strong club has a chance at success. The club reactive to the loud mouthed opinionaters has made us the worst side in history (until Benny and Co). I back a methodical approach by the club rather than those who have demanded and expected results without being prepared to do all the hard work that must be done to make a club a great club. The current custodians of our club have been prepared to build a great club. Block by block and replace any rotten wood as need be.



If you are not a great club you don't even get a shot at the holy grail. Don't matter who the coach is!




<<Slowly dismounts from soap box. Acutely aware of oncoming projectiles!!>> eep

I would counter that by saying that you cannot win a flag without an insightful, talented coach.

I think much of what our club does is very good, although there has been a tendency to complacency, hubris and protectionism lately.

I also don't understand the logic that changing the coach is dangerous because there are so many other things that go into making a successful club.

It ain't that complicated, Ninj. The footy department is a crucial link in the chain. Imperative that we get it right.

So many things flow on from the program that the head coach sets down. Training, culture, development, tactics. RFC has been fiddling around at the levels below Hardwick when a good, hard cleanout was required.

 

[ninjahaha]

I would counter that by saying that you cannot win a flag without an insightful, talented coach.

I think much of what our club does is very good, although there has been a tendency to complacency, hubris and protectionism lately.

I also don't understand the logic that changing the coach is dangerous because there are so many other things that go into making a successful club.

It ain't that complicated, Ninj. The footy department is a crucial link in the chain. Imperative that we get it right.

So many things flow on from the program that the head coach sets down. Training, culture, development, tactics. RFC has been fiddling around at the levels below Hardwick when a good, hard cleanout was required.

Don't think that changing the coach is dangerous.



I reckon...



The club reassessed its goals after the port (final) loss. At the time they included Dima in their deliberation. They explain their vision, he takes on the task aware that they where investing in the long term, not short term fixes to for example play a prelim by 2016, flag by 2017 or break.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Don't think that changing the coach is dangerous.



I reckon...



The club reassessed its goals after the port (final) loss. At the time they included Dima in their deliberation. They explain their vision, he takes on the task aware that they where investing in the long term, not short term fixes to for example play a prelim by 2016, flag by 2017 or break.

2014 was a year of massive coaching ineptitude, no doubt.

 

[zippadeee]

If we have a start 2-4 or 3-9 Hardwick is gone. then Carcella will take over, then we win more then we lose, we finish 10th
They will give Carcella the top job and the cycle will go on for another 3 years before we want him gone too.
The club is cursed