Welcome Tom Brown

[Don’t Argue]

Reminds me of Joel Bowden

Joel Bowden was laconic but had elite football I.Q.
Also from an era where athleticism wasn’t at such a premium.
Brown looks similar and makes good decisions but I don’t see the speed or endurance to make the contest as a 3rd up. I also see his man running off him at will.
I’d like to see him forward of the ball and replaced by Trezise.

 

[MD Jazz]

Joel Bowden was laconic but had elite football I.Q.
Also from an era where athleticism wasn’t at such a premium.
Brown looks similar and makes good decisions but I don’t see the speed or endurance to make the contest as a 3rd up. I also see his man running off him at will.
I’d like to see him forward of the ball and replaced by Trezise.

I think Brown has some wheels and a leap, really athletic traits. Don't think he has really used them yet.

He lacks the Vlas committment. Although not many have that.

 

[Webbie26]

I think Brown has some wheels and a leap, really athletic traits. Don't think he has really used them yet.

He lacks the Vlas committment. Although not many have that.

Defiantly has wheels and athletically gifted his commitment to tackle has been an issue since he sub luxed his shoulder half way through the year. But you can hardly shoot a kid for not wanting his shoulder to pop out every week

 

[Tigermad2005]

I liked him forward can take a mark let’s see how he goes again next week.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Going up for pack marks?

You would expect him to go for those marks. Nice finisher though.

 

[JoeGee]

When I see a bunch of first 30 draft picks all 3 or 4 years into the AFL system 'still playing like first years and afraid of contact' I don't blame the individuals.

The common demoninator is the club. Is it poor on field leadership? (Not sure as Nank certainly isn't afraid of contact). Is it poor coaching? Poor development?

Either way, I doubt it's just luck and poor recruitment that we landed kids who've developed the way they have.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

When I see a bunch of first 30 draft picks all 3 or 4 years into the AFL system 'still playing like first years and afraid of contact' I don't blame the individuals.

The common demoninator is the club. Is it poor on field leadership? (Not sure as Nank certainly isn't afraid of contact). Is it poor coaching? Poor development?

Either way, I doubt it's just luck and poor recruitment that we landed kids who've developed the way they have.

If they're timid and shirk contact or can't gut run at junior level it will be worse at senior level. It's a quality the recruiters need to identify.

 

[Brodders17]

When I see a bunch of first 30 draft picks all 3 or 4 years into the AFL system 'still playing like first years and afraid of contact' I don't blame the individuals.

The common demoninator is the club. Is it poor on field leadership? (Not sure as Nank certainly isn't afraid of contact). Is it poor coaching? Poor development?

Either way, I doubt it's just luck and poor recruitment that we landed kids who've developed the way they have.

I reckon a few on here, myself included, would dispute the idea that "a bunch" of our top 30 picks are 'still playing like first years and afraid of contact'.
First Gibcus never looked afraid.
Second I dont think we can rate Clarke- skinny yes, but dont think he showed he was scared.
Neither Brown nor Banks show Cotchin-like attack at the ball, but both go when it is their turn and both have put their bodies in harms way plenty.
Sonsie- maybe!

And they are halfway through their 3rd year in the AFL system.

 

[Mantikorr]

I reckon a few on here, myself included, would dispute the idea that "a bunch" of our top 30 picks are 'still playing like first years and afraid of contact'.
First Gibcus never looked afraid.
Second I dont think we can rate Clarke- skinny yes, but dont think he showed he was scared.
Neither Brown nor Banks show Cotchin-like attack at the ball, but both go when it is their turn and both have put their bodies in harms way plenty.
Sonsie- maybe!

And they are halfway through their 3rd year in the AFL system.

Can probably also factor in the lost development time prior to being drafted due to COVID lockdowns

 

[Scoop]

15 games and 16 tackles. In a backline got bombed weekly.

Shows effort. Shows lack of body contact.

 

[Leysy Days]

When I see a bunch of first 30 draft picks all 3 or 4 years into the AFL system 'still playing like first years and afraid of contact' I don't blame the individuals.

The common demoninator is the club. Is it poor on field leadership? (Not sure as Nank certainly isn't afraid of contact). Is it poor coaching? Poor development?

Either way, I doubt it's just luck and poor recruitment that we landed kids who've developed the way they have.

One word competitiveness.

Banged on about it forever.

We went away from it this draft prioritising kicking and athleticism.

reckon that first box must ALWAYS be ticked offf before you look at anything else.

Only really Gibcus instinctively had it, the rest it's not 100% natural.

And it's the hardest thing to teach.

That was our mistake.

 

[Don’t Argue]

One word competitiveness.

Banged on about it forever.

We went away from it this draft prioritising kicking and athleticism.

But that first box must ALWAYS be ticked offf before you look at anything else.

Only really Gibcus instinctively had it, the rest it's not 100% natural.

And it's the hardest thing to teach.

That was our mistake.

Absolutely spot on.
Was confirmed by both Clarke and Dimma that we prioritised kicking and athleticism.

 

[Brodders17]

15 games and 16 tackles. In a backline got bombed weekly.

Shows effort. Shows lack of body contact.

Would you say the same about Nathan Broad?

 

[Leysy Days]

Absolutely spot on.
Was confirmed by both Clarke and Dimma that we prioritised kicking and athleticism.

And they are important for sure.

But with the big C word in your makeup - they don't come into play.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

15 games and 16 tackles. In a backline got bombed weekly.

Shows effort. Shows lack of body contact.

Graham had 9 in the 1st half and he slower than a Galapagos Tortoise

 

[Scoop]

Would you say the same about Nathan Broad?

*Sigh* No cause nobody is questioning his effort or competitiveness, now or never.

Not linked at all, the longest of bows. Strange reference point.

 

[Brodders17]

*Sigh* No cause nobody is questioning his effort or competitiveness, now or never.

Not linked at all, the longest of bows. Strange reference point.

Sorry, i thought you said Browns tackling numbers showed effort and lack of body contact.
I thought the same would apply to Broad, who's tackle numbers are similar.

 

[Scoop]

Sorry, i thought you said Browns tackling numbers showed effort and lack of body contact.
I thought the same would apply to Broad, who's tackle numbers are similar.

Did you actually read my post lol.

 

[Opulentus Tigris]

He’s played 15 games. Long way to go.

 

[Brodders17]

Did you actually read my post lol.

You quoted his tackle numbers and suggested they show a lack of effort and a dislike of body contact. What am I missing?

I certainly wouldn't suggest Broad lacks effort or dislikes body contact but his tackle numbers aren't much higher than Browns.