I contacted the club about browns height down as 193cms Brown himself stated I'm.not 193cms but somewhere in between my original height coming into Richmond and 193cms
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I am not saying Brown lacks the ability or the will to succeed in taking possession in contested situations. I really havn't seen enough of his play to comment. I was responding to Posh who was suggesting that in his particular role it was relatively unimportant to have those skills.
My point is that it is always important to have those skills. His mention of NV in support was odd because as others also pointed out, NV has always had and demonstrated that ability in spades.
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Agree and he may already be there. I really have not seen enough of him to say. My point was that no matter how good you maybe at everything else, you can't succeed without it.
in front of a loud port crowd , was good to see brown and the other kids not be overawed, good signs
Where did I say that NV isn't excellent in the contest? I said that his disposals are largely uncontested (just like Broads) hence Brown doesn't need to be some sort of competitive beast to make it. Somewhere in the 30-35% range would be fine.
For reference, NV is running at 34% CPR which is rated above average for his position. Broad runs at 28% CPR which is rated average, so what I'm saying is if Brown can be around that level his high quality disposal will mean he is a good player for us going forward.
For much of Sunday he operated at 100% disposal efficiency (I think until he kicked that 1 out on the full in our D50 when he tried to spread the play).
Statistics help with what they do tell but they leave out a hell of a lot. He may well already have this quality but your point that it doesn’t really matter if he … are you thinking Brown will play like a kicker in the US game. Ben Griffiths like. Doesn’t work like that in AFL.
Brown does have to be a competitive beast to make it.
All of our players need this quality.
It is a prerequisite for them all.
I am not talking about knocking opponents to the ground. I am talking about going in just as hard when the odds are stacked against, and where the probability of collision with a bigger stronger and faster opponent is certain.
Broad and NV don’t have to rely on this to get a kick but they have to have this strength and their opponents have to know they have this strength, in order to get selected. And that basic ability that they both have in spades underwrites everything else.
And if any player gets a start without having it in good measure he/she would need to spend some time getting that right. Not saying this is where Brown is at..only he and his coaches know about that at this point. People grow into it. But if it is a problem next year his great promise in terms of his speed and disposal skills isn’t going to be enough.
Tom Brown has no trouble winning contests. He does so through being too good, too smart or too big for his opponent. He can do it even when out of position.
Does he put himself in harm's way like Vlastuin? Not yet.
Does he put himself in harm's way like Vlastuin? Not yet.
Good debut and great to see we have another kid coming through that can kick a ball. The 2021 batch is providing a decent uplift in our overall skill level. I'd like to see the likes of Brown, Banks, Sonsie, Clarke, Trezise, Coulthard etc rotate through half back and wing throughout 2024, which is where we should develop our kids. This would require the more experienced Baker, Short, Rioli, Bolton to do more of the heavy lifting in the forward line.
Vlastuin was fearless from day one.
He took a mark with the flight against the West coast in perth in his first (second?) season that set the tone for his career. Yes he may have needed to develop physically to do better in the contest but he he has always been one of the most courageous tigers I've ever seen play.
Even last weekend in a meaningless game Nick backed into a pack to take the mark where others fear to tread. Sometimes to the point of stupid tbh.
He is a bloody champion.
If Tom Brown gets to NV's class it would be fantastic.
The comparison between flossy and Brown is not that strong
FLossy is a kamakaze footballer, and as a result, is probably 2 concussions away from ending his career unfortunately.
Someone made the comparison between Brown and Bowden , and that would be a wet dream for us
FLossy is a kamakaze footballer, and as a result, is probably 2 concussions away from ending his career unfortunately.
Someone made the comparison between Brown and Bowden , and that would be a wet dream for us
Your misinterpreting what was said. I didn't claim they were the same. I said the data says that as he grew/got stronger, his numbers in contests improved. In comparison between the two players (at different levels vfl/afl) the numbers are similar.
It doesn't mean Brown has the same courage or will to put himself in places like Vlaustin did - just that they produce similar numbers.
Well said. He's likely more of a replacement for D Rioli or Short if anything.
Was a great player but Bowdo would have been a superstar in the current version of today's game.
Putting yourself in harms way like NV, not yet... is perfectly acceptable at this point.
Bachar improved his physicality over his career - Brown can do the same
You mention Dan. Interesting to see that Mini moved him forward against P Ad, probably to make room for our two new guys.
I thought he would take the opportunity to leave him out altogether, given the injuries he was already carrying. Hope he is not too badly banged up?
With Short there and likely to stay, and the others, maybe Dan with be pencilled in to play midfield next year. We badly need some more pace and skill there and he certainly brings that.
