I actually like Williams and hope we could pick him up cheap in the future. Could be anything with the right development.
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Misses a wide open sideways kick that is 10 metres under no pressure & another turn over from another kick that was AFL standard. Two mistakes from six kicks. Both super basic. The kicking question remains. As pointed out by @forward press his kicking has not shown midfield traits.
Ooooo someone's gunna bookmark this one!
I for one think our list has numerous indicators that say we are very close to the premiership window.
I don't think Hopper and Taranto are a stretch at all, just good smart list management and recruiting.
Blair Hartley is an absolute genius in my opinion. Our list is an almost perfect balance of positions, types, age and experience. Not too many teams are in this situation. Time will tell.
He's had 6 clangers in four games, he also ranks high for bounces & intercepts, promising signs. If you don't see midfield potential with a player running at 80% DE then the bar is unreasonable. His playmaking ability is evident and his kicking is nowhere near the dire prognosis many were dishing out. Look at some of the highlights from his debut, he can pinpoint in traffic when he needs to.
He's as good as Tom Stewart yet the five AA jumpers they have between them all live in Barwon Heads. Criminal.
How so? Plenty of benchmarks being hit, ranked third in bounces for Rising Stars which indicates he's taking the game on, he's not handball happy, only 1.7 clangers a match. Are you going to focus on his shanks and give him another cross? His first kick in footy was a pearler which ripped through traffic and spotted up a man in the centre square. There's no terminal issue, he'll be fine and if he finishes with 80% DE over his career then he gets the elite stamp.
I was going to mention the lack of recognition, I think we can all agree he's been snubbed on occasion, worthy of at least one AA jumper.
Well not really semantics. I argued against the trade because the trading of a future 1st rounder always meant that the loss of a middle to low first rounder was a possibility, which was a cost too great for Hopper and almost any other player.
Still consider the trade a big mistake and that it would be a good policy to establish into the future.
‘No use talking about trading player x with the Tigers. They just don’t trade their future first round pick’.
That's also a big risk in a draft that clubs are trading into, I believe too much credence has been placed on a 7th place finish when the reality actually lies somewhere between 12th & 7th, two inside mids not an ironclad guarantee of a top 4 finish in my opinion.
If we hadn’t recruited Taranto and Hopper, there’s every chance we finish 12th based on last year’s clearance form.
The draftees picked up last year and later this year offer nothing in terms of filling holes in any meaningful ways.
I may have saved Hoppers picks if I could guarantee a prime KPF but the club may have not had any viable options or thinks they can pick one up this years through trading
It doesn't matter.
Giving us 45 picks, what's the difference?
We can't draft. Useless,
only time we hit gold when it's a free hit deep into the 2nd or 3rd round.
We should have a replacement for Jack Now but we don't. Van Hooganband & Allen Both sitting there. But we picked Higgins Coleman Jones Brown.
We should never use a 1st rounder again. Till Clarke goes.
Not sure where you are getting your stats from. On the AFL side he is below average in almost all areas.
Bounces are a strange one to evaluate, but even these. Ge averages a bounce every three games, so not sure that’s worth calling out.
No one is really calling out this kicking like you are, but at an average 11m gained per possession, he’s hardly the run and gun type.
As Chandler Bing would say regarding this stat , “can you be any more obscure?”
Obscure would be comparing teenagers playing their first games to premiership players with 200+ games experience, there's a reason we have a Rising Star Award & best under 23 teams. It's a bit like Leysy frothing at the mouth about Vlastuin and offering diddly squat information as to which juniors might be viable replacements. Always big on hyperbole but light on solutions, I also reckon it is laughable that PRE dismisses Taranto's shizen DE yet a kid who copped endless roasting about his kicking (which was mostly fabricated) still gets marginalised for 6 clangers in 4 games of AFL football.
Tom Mitchell would have addressed the clearances but we've been over this, time to move on.
I'm certainly not writing us off, the season is a baby and there is plenty of time for us to get going. I agree our best is capable if we can produce it.
Ultimately though list management is a hindsight business. In three years time if we have either won a flag or finished top 4 twice then the recruiting gets a tick. Any less and it gets a cross.
Glad you didn’t say winning a premiership is the pass mark which seems to be what some are saying.
Premierships are bloody hard to win, recruiting is really about giving a club a chance to win one.
Ultimately I think these debates are fruitless. Taranto and Hopper are Richmond players and any sort of discussions about woulda/shoulda/coulda is to me a waste of time.
Probably the same people who argue that Chris Scott and Geelong's record was no good because they hadn't won a flag.
Premierships are a foolish measure of success, top four is the benchmark for a quality season and being in contention for a flag.
And for the record
| Rank | Player | Team | Games | Effective Disposals for Last Game | Total |
1 | 3 | 21 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 68 | ||
2 | 3 | 9 v Carlton, Round 3 | 43 | ||
3 | 3 | 41 | |||
4 | 3 | 13 v North Melbourne, Round 3 | 36 | ||
5 | 3 | 9 v Essendon, Round 3 | 34 | ||
5 | 2 | 21 v St Kilda, Round 3 | 34 | ||
7 | 3 | 14 v Fremantle, Round 3 | 33 | ||
7 | 3 | 12 v GWS, Round 3 | 33 | ||
7 | 3 | 16 v Sydney, Round 3 | 33 | ||
10 | 3 | 9 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 31 | ||
10 | 3 | 8 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 31 |
| Rank | Player | Team | Games | Intercepts for Last Game | Total |
1 | 3 | 18 | |||
1 | 3 | 8 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 18 | ||
3 | 3 | 7 v Sydney, Round 3 | 16 | ||
4 | 3 | 5 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 14 | ||
4 | 3 | 14 | |||
6 | 3 | 3 v GWS, Round 3 | 12 | ||
7 | Suns | 2 | 2 v Essendon, Round 2 | 11 | |
8 | 3 | 2 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 10 | ||
9 | 2 | 5 v St Kilda, Round 3 | 9 | ||
10 | 3 | 2 v GWS, Round 3 | 7 | ||
10 | 2 | 3 v Carlton, Round 3 | 7 |
| Rank | Player | Team | Games | One Percenters for Last Game | Total |
1 | 3 | 4 v GWS, Round 3 | 9 | ||
2 | 3 | 1 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 8 | ||
2 | 3 | 8 | |||
4 | 3 | 3 v GWS, Round 3 | 6 | ||
4 | 3 | 5 v St Kilda, Round 3 | 6 | ||
4 | 3 | 2 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 6 | ||
4 | Suns | 2 | 1 v Essendon, Round 2 | 6 | |
8 | 3 | 2 v Fremantle, Round 3 | 5 | ||
8 | 3 | 1 v Sydney, Round 3 | 5 | ||
8 | 3 | 5 |
| Rank | Player | Team | Games | Marks for Last Game | Total |
1 | 3 | 7 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 24 | ||
2 | 3 | 15 | |||
3 | 3 | 4 v Carlton, Round 3 | 14 | ||
4 | 3 | 2 v Essendon, Round 3 | 13 | ||
4 | 3 | 13 | |||
4 | 2 | 8 v St Kilda, Round 3 | 13 | ||
7 | 3 | 3 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 12 | ||
7 | 3 | 1 v St Kilda, Round 3 | 12 | ||
7 | 3 | 3 v Essendon, Round 3 | 12 | ||
10 | 3 | 3 v Hawthorn, Round 3 | 11 |
