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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

acatman said:

This is part of the reply by vinpaul, and a fair summation i think. Thing is had it been the reversed and YOU had Selwood in your team, it may? have been different. Like the bloke (Selwood) or not he IS A LEADER, something that you guys lack . Sure may be in the "most hated" players by oppo supporters, would also suggest he is prob in the top half dozen as most valuable in the league


Yeap agree with most of that. He is a leader and I would absolutely love him at the Tigers. As I said earlier a large part of my frustration is to do with Richmond's response to his actions (lack of). He is a gun and has willed his team onto victory many times, does not mean that I can't think that he has not got an embarrassing part to his game. He is a gun without it, does not need to do it.
 
vinpaul said:
Yeap agree with most of that. He is a leader and I would absolutely love him at the Tigers. As I said earlier a large part of my frustration is to do with Richmond's response to his actions (lack of). He is a gun and has willed his team onto victory many times, does not mean that I can't think that he has not got an embarrassing part to his game. He is a gun without it, does not need to do it.

Agree 100% :)
 
The one against Petterd was unbeliveable it was around the waist and the ump paid a fifty because Petterd said " Oh my god you are joking ! You are having a mare (as in nightmare)" that was it.

I am still amazed Newman's wasnt down field dumped after disposing of the ball and Deledio was weak when he just stood next to Selwood and showed no leadership at all could of at least bumped him.
 
In he end it's the afl that is killing the game not the Ump's.

Lets bring in a sliding rule as a player had his ankle broken.

Must be a about time to bring in the rule that you can not tackle or fly for a mark as you may do your Knee.

It was a great contact sport once.
 
just watched the replay of THE incident in the shop with my geelong supporter mate...he laughed and said "thats selwood..thats what he does..he gets away with it..good on him"..

imagine this..the players are changed around and reiwoldt,king or mcguanne run up to selwood and did that...do u thing jack, king or luke would also get a 50 mtere penalty?? not in a million years

geelong players are just experts at milking free kicks..check out bartell who leaps forard for a push in the back free whenever he is tackled...

milking free kicks is an absolute disgrace and a massive..massive blight on our game IT SHOULD NEVER..EVER BE REWARDS..i have no respect for selwood and his club anymore.. great players should play like bloody men and not a bunch of milkmen ducks....hope they cop a spanking from the bongheads of windy hill next week
 
Some telling comments in here.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/are-we-getting-a-dream-run-from-the-umpires.1003786/#post-28092638
 
I think its about time that 'concerned citizens' create a preasure group / community driven org to advocate for the changes or non changes the supporters who are the game want. A keep it real / keep the bastards honest group. Its out of control and we have lost control of our game.
 
acatman said:
Hmmm reckon Jack stages for heaps of frees to (though i dont want to start petty arguements) Selwood literally willed the cats to beat hawks in the first round of the season, dont "think" that was based on him working the umps to win cheap frees ( not saying he doesnt). I'd put him as very good player/leader FIRST....stager second.

Jack stages, but the umpires see through it. Those same umpires seem incapable of working out why Selwood get taken high so often.

Watson, Judd, Kennedy can all play tough inside roles brilliantly without the staging. Actually so could Selwood if he tried, the staging is completely unnecessary for him to be a champ.
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Jack stages, but the umpires see through it. Those same umpires seem incapable of working out why Selwood get taken high so often.

Watson, Judd, Kennedy can all play tough inside roles brilliantly without the staging. Actually so could Selwood if he tried, the staging is completely unnecessary for him to be a champ.
I reckon Push up has learnt the Selwood drop the knees trick but again, he doesn't get 1% of the ones Joel gets.

I just don't understand the justification of it. why do they feel Selwood deserves all the frees, but others don't. how can they believe Geelong made not one mistake in 45 minutes of football that deserves a free. :don't know
 
Swans v Lions: lions 27 frees, Swans 18. Odd as Lions are getting pumped.
 
bowden4president said:
I reckon Push up has learnt the Selwood drop the knees trick but again, he doesn't get 1% of the ones Joel gets.

I just don't understand the justification of it. why do they feel Selwood deserves all the frees, but others don't. how can they believe Geelong made not one mistake in 45 minutes of football that deserves a free. :don't know

King does do it, he is also a shorty so he naturally gets a lot of high shots. They have started paying more to Jake as his reputation has increased.
 
Hands in the Back Rule - 1 in 3 gets paid per game, they pay hands in the back when the hand/push is on the side, yet do not pay it when there is a push with the forearm

Contact Below the Knees - overreaction rule to one injury where the player slid in FOOT first, players are not allowed to be more desperate than their opponents and are afraid to be first to the ball, other players are actually practicing planting their feet to draw the free kick which will lend itself to more injuries counter to what the rule is meant to do

Incorrect Disposal - Non existant rule, a player who is tackled is now allowed to drop/spill the ball to teammates advantage

Holding the Ball Rule - Linked to incorrect disposal where a player can have prior opportunity, get tackled, but if the ball is not held to the player then it is usually play on, a good tackle (where the ball is held to the player) is sometimes payed holding the ball even when the player has not had prior opportunity

Umpire Abuse - Being smart (not yelling, swearing or threatening behaviour) with the umpire is now apparently umpire abuse, umpires are allowed to be smart with players so why not the other way. Telling the umpire he is having a bad game is or that the decision was wrong (not yelling, swearing or threatening) is not abuse

50m penalty for Holding Players after Disposal - Comes into a 1 game every 2-3 rounds, every other game is allowed, although players have learned to mostly shepard now

Staging - The softest interpretation of a current rule, plenty of players have staged for free kicks (including Richmond players) yet only a few warnings have been issued, instead of giving warnings or fines for staging the umpires boss is too busy trying to convince everyone that the umpire made the correct call

Push in the Back - IIRC this rule was brought in for players safety but has become a rule in the mould of the Hands in the Back Rule where if you get into someones back regardless of force then it is payed, when a player on his knees can fall forward and get hands in the back there is something wrong, when players are actively trying to get other players to fall on their back by falling/diving forwards there is something wrong with the rule

Ruck infringements - unless it is a clear penalty to one player then just toss a coin to determine who's free it is, interpretations of other rules have crept into ruck infringements, also being the stronger ruck usually results in that player getting more frees against, time and time again you see rucks that are bigger beating smaller rucks or key forwards only to get a free paid against them for a push out or push in the back

Sheparding in a marking contest - So many times a player is not given a free run at the ball because his opponent has sheparded/engaged with him leaving a third man to take the mark, this usually starts well outside of the 'inside 5 meters of the ball', every now and then it will be payed usually to a player that is staging/acting rather than a genuine play

Free and 50m penalty for sub infringement - Massive overreaction to one game where there was an extra man on the ground for a few minutes who actually affected the game but instead of penalising that team a new rule was brought in, will cost a team a game at some point in time. Worst case scenario is that a team is 5 points up with seconds to go has possession of the ball in the middle of the ground, only for an eager first year player to take a half step onto the field of play just before his teammate comes off, sub infringement is called, siren sounds ball is turned over and 50m and the opposition slots it from 30m out. Of course if this happened then there would be a massive outcry and the sub infringement penalty would prolly be watered down to just a free kick but like usual the damage would already have been done

Edit: Forgot one

Goal Line Review - Not a rule change as such but a change in the game, only seems to be called when a player 'swears' they touched the ball before going through the goals, we then have a minute or two break where we watch fuzzy/grainy footage of the ball near the players hand which is and was always going to be inconclusive, it goes on umpires call, goal, BTW if the umpire thinks it is touched then it is called touched there is no review to check if it is correct (as it should be), when their is a legitimate reason to call for a review ie. ball touching/not touching the post, ball over/not over the goal line, 9 times out of 10 a review is not called

This was all just off the top of my head, could go on for ever about more BS rule changes ruining our great game

This along with Inequitable Fixturing, New Franchise Consessions, the Tanking saga, Salay Cap Cheating and the team on top of the ladder embroiled in a performance enhancing drug controversy really makes it hard to enjoy football ATM
Most of this boils down to the 'image' and 'growth' of the game, not the integrity, because that is what brings in the sponsors, the corporate dollars and the tv rights, which of course is all about money and...

...'Money is the root of all evil'
 
davidrodan said:
Hands in the Back Rule - 1 in 3 gets paid per game, they pay hands in the back when the hand/push is on the side, yet do not pay it when there is a push with the forearm

Contact Below the Knees - overreaction rule to one injury where the player slid in FOOT first, players are not allowed to be more desperate than their opponents and are afraid to be first to the ball, other players are actually practicing planting their feet to draw the free kick which will lend itself to more injuries counter to what the rule is meant to do

Incorrect Disposal - Non existant rule, a player who is tackled is now allowed to drop/spill the ball to teammates advantage

Holding the Ball Rule - Linked to incorrect disposal where a player can have prior opportunity, get tackled, but if the ball is not held to the player then it is usually play on, a good tackle (where the ball is held to the player) is sometimes payed holding the ball even when the player has not had prior opportunity

Umpire Abuse - Being smart (not yelling, swearing or threatening behaviour) with the umpire is now apparently umpire abuse, umpires are allowed to be smart with players so why not the other way. Telling the umpire he is having a bad game is or that the decision was wrong (not yelling, swearing or threatening) is not abuse

50m penalty for Holding Players after Disposal - Comes into a 1 game every 2-3 rounds, every other game is allowed, although players have learned to mostly shepard now

Staging - The softest interpretation of a current rule, plenty of players have staged for free kicks (including Richmond players) yet only a few warnings have been issued, instead of giving warnings or fines for staging the umpires boss is too busy trying to convince everyone that the umpire made the correct call

Push in the Back - IIRC this rule was brought in for players safety but has become a rule in the mould of the Hands in the Back Rule where if you get into someones back regardless of force then it is payed, when a player on his knees can fall forward and get hands in the back there is something wrong, when players are actively trying to get other players to fall on their back by falling/diving forwards there is something wrong with the rule

Ruck infringements - unless it is a clear penalty to one player then just toss a coin to determine who's free it is, interpretations of other rules have crept into ruck infringements, also being the stronger ruck usually results in that player getting more frees against, time and time again you see rucks that are bigger beating smaller rucks or key forwards only to get a free paid against them for a push out or push in the back

Sheparding in a marking contest - So many times a player is not given a free run at the ball because his opponent has sheparded/engaged with him leaving a third man to take the mark, this usually starts well outside of the 'inside 5 meters of the ball', every now and then it will be payed usually to a player that is staging/acting rather than a genuine play

Free and 50m penalty for sub infringement - Massive overreaction to one game where there was an extra man on the ground for a few minutes who actually affected the game but instead of penalising that team a new rule was brought in, will cost a team a game at some point in time. Worst case scenario is that a team is 5 points up with seconds to go has possession of the ball in the middle of the ground, only for an eager first year player to take a half step onto the field of play just before his teammate comes off, sub infringement is called, siren sounds ball is turned over and 50m and the opposition slots it from 30m out. Of course if this happened then there would be a massive outcry and the sub infringement penalty would prolly be watered down to just a free kick but like usual the damage would already have been done

This was all just off the top of my head, could go on for ever about more BS rule changes ruining our great game

This along with Inequitable Fixturing, New Franchise Consessions, the Tanking saga, Salay Cap Cheating and the team on top of the ladder embroiled in a performance enhancing drug controversy really makes it hard to enjoy football ATM
Most of this boils down to the 'image' and 'growth' of the game, not the integrity, because that is what brings in the sponsors, the corporate dollars and the tv rights, which of course is all about money and...

...'Money is the root of all evil'

:clap must admit that I am having trouble getting 'into' the footy this year. I seems we have altered the game so much it barely resembles what I grew up watching. I know the game needs to evolve, but in some instances I think they change things for the sake of change rather than to benefit the game.

I have also lost a lot of respect for *smile* and his merry men as they have made a mockery of the code by allowing the likes of Melbourne and Essundumb to bring the game into disrepute yet have done little about it. Maybe they cant do much yet with Essundumb with the ASADA investigation but they could at least be impartial and stay out of it rather than telling everyone to lay off them.

The whole thing makes me sick.
 
Umpire Appreciation Round.

Just cannot do it. You get paid about $1500 to umpire one game and do some weekly training and attend a meeting.

You do not deserve appreciation. We deserve for you to do your job properly without mistake. When you are out on the field I don't care what your name is. I just want you to blow the whistle only when it needs to be blown, first time every time. I don't want you to interpret a rule. It either exists or it doesn't. Just blow the whistle dammit. And shut up.

I don't want to appreciate you. You get paid as appreciation. I don't want to know you are there. At the end of the game I want to walk away and forget you were even on the grass. The way it used to be. Before the Emperor had another new groove. Muppet.
 
tommystigers said:
Umpire Appreciation Round.

Just cannot do it. You get paid about $1500 to umpire one game and do some weekly training and attend a meeting.

You do not deserve appreciation. We deserve for you to do your job properly without mistake. When you are out on the field I don't care what your name is. I just want you to blow the whistle only when it needs to be blown, first time every time. I don't want you to interpret a rule. It either exists or it doesn't. Just blow the whistle dammit. And shut up.

I don't want to appreciate you. You get paid as appreciation. I don't want to know you are there. At the end of the game I want to walk away and forget you were even on the grass. The way it used to be. Before the Emperor had another new groove. Muppet.

Excellent post.
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
The give the doubt to reputation and what the expect to happen, Johnston holds Jackson in the center square (which he did), no free kick and not even Richmond supporters expect it. Other way round and not only does Johnston get a free the channel 7 boys pull out the super slow mo.

Spot on col. I wanted to scream at this. Why do umpires get sucked into reputations?
 
Soda said:
Spot on col. I wanted to scream at this. Why do umpires get sucked into reputations?

Noticed them making an effort to refer to players by name this year, e.g. whistle -> 'Holding! Marc Murphy! Free kick to Marc Murphy'. Lesser-known players get things like 'Free kick to you. Yeah, yours.' Or they get the player's name wrong like on Friday night.