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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

Ridley said:
Agree. It was disgraceful umpiring. Firstly in that we didn't get a relayed free from Hunt's crude tackle but actually got a free against us for Newman's rightful retaliation. Secondly because of the Selwood farce afterwards. Newman was very unfairly treated.

That umpiring last night was as close to outright cheating as you'll ever see.
They really don't have brains beyond the rule book, do they? The umpires all know Newman, they know he's very even tempered. He didn't even retaliate when that dirty little sniper Ballantyne gave him one in the ribs last year, so you'd think that you'd question it when he loses it like he did last night, but no. Let's give a free to Duckwood and make it a little easier for Geelong to keep the natural order of things going.
 
TOT70 said:
AFL games are umpired for continuity of play and on reputation, not on merit. Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Sydney are the beneficiaries of "rep" frees every week against their more lowly-ranked opponents and last night's effort has raised this to a new level.

During that crucial period when Geelong transitioned from 3 goals down to 4 goals up they enjoyed a run of 10 free kicks to 1. No team can stem the tide when so many disputed balls are decided by the whistle. The Newman incident should be shown and dissected to every umpire on the list as it epitomises the inherent unfairness in the way they look at games.

It occurred at a time when Geelong was ramping up the physical pressure. Newman broke away from a crowded area with the ball and delivered cleanly to Martin, who most likely should have been pinged for a push in the back in the marking contest. This should have been rendered irrelevant as Newman was heavily tackled by Hunt who arrived late and dumped him into the turf. His head is seen to bounce off the ground from the impact. This was a clear free kick upfield. It was also an illegal application of physical pressure and intimidation. Look at the replay and you will see Hunt dumped several players last night as he applied physical pressure. However the umpire did not penalise him on any occasions, making it easy for his team to intimidate.

What is Newman to do? Does he meekly accept that when the bully-boys get going they will do this to you, the umpires will ignore it and you will be tasting grass until you lose control of the game? He dumped him back, exerting his own pressure. The umpire who ignored the first dumping is quick to stamp on this insurrection, paying a free to Hunt. The die is cast. Geelong can do as they please, Richmond must adhere to the strict letter of the law.

Enter Selwood from 20 metres away. Calm. Cool. Composed. Sledging for all he is worth. No doubt he was urging Newman to see the funny side of it all, the funny side being that Newman is a veteran who has never played in a final whilst he, himself is a three-time Premiership player. Newman pushed him away. Sucked in, Newman, sucked in umpire. Fifty metres. Selwood, suddenly angry, grabs Newman in a bear- hug and dumps him to the grass again. No reversal. One rule for one, a different rule for another.

The ball is relayed forward and Petterd tackles a Geelong player around the waist. For Geelong players, their heads are apparently so big that anything above the hips is considered part of the head. A mumbled "Oh, my God" and another 50 gifts them a goal.

During that period of time, Richmond players did not have heads at all. Their one free kick came from shepherding the forward off the ball in a 2 on 1 marking contest, which occurred a number of times but was only penalised once. Geelong's rucks worked in tandem, one wrestled, one attended to the hit-out. Richmond players were tackled with ferocity as the pressure went up again.

It is easy to be the bully boys when the umpire is aiding and abetting.

There was some recent speculation in the media about how North Melb and Richmond are two sides that are trying to jump from the middle reaches of the ladder but can't seem to take that final step. This is why.

Great post. The umpiring favouritism of top sides is the greatest farce in the game today.
 
I've been watching footy for more than 50 years, and until the last few years, when the umpire blew the whistle, I had a pretty good idea of why h'e'd paid a free. Sometimes I'd disagree but I knew what their reasons were.
Now, when they blow the whistle I honestly don't know what half the decisions are paid for.
Why are some "blocks" paid and others not?
Why are some head high tackles rewarded and others not?
The "hands in the back in a marking contest" has been re-interpreted to mean "no touching: or '2 actions". How does a player protect his space and take a contested mark in ONE action? Eh Geesh? Give us an answer to this one!
Correct disposal has gone the way of the dinosaurs. You can drop it, throw it or just pretend to try and punch the ball and it's all ok.
A player gets a free or a mark. He goes back - takes a look -assesses his options , and the umpire yells "play on". Nothing happens. He doesn't play on and no-one tries to tackle him. So the unpire yells even louder PLAY ON (how dare you not obey my instructions!!!). Now listen up umps, if a player doesn't want to play on, and no-one wants to tackle him, then he can legally stand there holding the ball all night. It's not in your job description to tell players how to play. Telling ruckmen where to stand, is NOT in your job description. If they disobey the rule, then your job is to just pay a free. STFU.
Nor do you have to tell players to "knock it out" in a congested bit of play.
The game has changed so much I can no longer call it footy. It's some other hybrid game that KB and his mates have dreamt up.
The crowds may be up, and revenue up.
But so too are fan frustration levels.
 
And we all know what will happen, Gieschen will be asked about it, he'll say that the umpires were entirely correct, nothing see here. Andy D will pat him on the head and say good boy, Jeffrey, here have a biscuit and it will all roll on.
 
I went with my girlfriend last night who is a casual football watcher and she turned to me at one stage and asked:

'When did the rule change allowing a player to just drop the ball once they get tackled and put their arms up in the air looking for a free kick? Geelong do it every time and Richmond does not get rewarded for their tackles?'

I just shrugged.

Also lost some respect for Selwood last night, great great player but a dog never the less. What upset me even more though is Richmond's response to the incident, and the fact that we did not have anyone showing any backbone and getting in his face apart from the Newman. Was embarrassing to see Deledio go and stand against him after the incident and not put any physical pressure on him what so ever. Looked like men against boys. Timid. In fact he could not even make eye contact. I know he's not a physical player but gee get a LITTLE angry Brett.
 
Its human nature to look after the pretty ones first.

Umpires are no different for years theyve let the good teams have more time more leeway, the better players have always had more leeway and been afforded more protection from umpires (except Greg Williams).

The tigers are the ugly frumpy chick who has broken down on the side of the road not getting any male assistance yet the same males will fall over emselves to assist the hot 6 foot leggy tight arsed big boobed blonde 800 metres down the road with a flat tyre, which is in this circumstance the Cats.


The axing of the dropping the ball rule is a blight on the game and is not rewarding the tackler yet a player can have 5 blokes jump on him and forceably keep him from releasing the footy and he gets pinged.

The game is a shadow of the great contest we once knew.
 
poppa x said:
I've been watching footy for more than 50 years, and until the last few years, when the umpire blew the whistle, I had a pretty good idea of why h'e'd paid a free. Sometimes I'd disagree but I knew what their reasons were.
Now, when they blow the whistle I honestly don't know what half the decisions are paid for.
Why are some "blocks" paid and others not?
Why are some head high tackles rewarded and others not?
The "hands in the back in a marking contest" has been re-interpreted to mean "no touching: or '2 actions". How does a player protect his space and take a contested mark in ONE action? Eh Geesh? Give us an answer to this one!
Correct disposal has gone the way of the dinosaurs. You can drop it, throw it or just pretend to try and punch the ball and it's all ok.
A player gets a free or a mark. He goes back - takes a look -assesses his options , and the umpire yells "play on". Nothing happens. He doesn't play on and no-one tries to tackle him. So the unpire yells even louder PLAY ON (how dare you not obey my instructions!!!). Now listen up umps, if a player doesn't want to play on, and no-one wants to tackle him, then he can legally stand there holding the ball all night. It's not in your job description to tell players how to play. Telling ruckmen where to stand, is NOT in your job description. If they disobey the rule, then your job is to just pay a free. STFU.
Nor do you have to tell players to "knock it out" in a congested bit of play.
The game has changed so much I can no longer call it footy. It's some other hybrid game that KB and his mates have dreamt up.
The crowds may be up, and revenue up.
But so too are fan frustration levels.


Spot on.
 
Hey guys if you want a laugh go to smart replay for our game on the AFL site.

They have a map at the bottom of the screen showing markers for all free goals marks etc.

Click on frees and look at the Geelong distribution over the 4 quarters and then click goals and look at Geelong's distribution and see if you can see a pattern.

Also marvel at the 11 - 0 run Geelong got from the 24 minute mark of Qtr 1 to the 8 minute mark of Qtr 3 - thats about 3/4 of an hour we didn't get a free despite dominating clearances and contested ball stats in that time.
 
I just watched the Newman- Sellwood incident in the 3rd. I was there but over the other side of the ground.

That was a truly horrible umpiring decision that rewarded the guilty party/ instigator and showed no feel for the game at all. It cost Richmond a 2 goal turnaround at a time we were still in the match. I won't enter into the other discussions on the umpiring in general because it just sounds like sour grapes but there is no other way to describe that decision than it was a very big and crucial mistake.
 
Sintiger said:
I just watched the Newman- Sellwood incident in the 3rd. I was there but over the other side of the ground.

That was a truly horrible umpiring decision that rewarded the guilty party/ instigator and showed no feel for the game at all. It cost Richmond a 2 goal turnaround at a time we were still in the match. I won't enter into the other discussions on the umpiring in general because it just sounds like sour grapes but there is no other way to describe that decision than it was a very big and crucial mistake.


Newmo doesn't seem to see it that way himself. He's admitted being disappointed with his lack of disclipine and obviously giving away the 50.
 
rosy23 said:
Newmo doesn't seem to see it that way himself. He's admitted being disappointed with his lack of disclipine and obviously giving away the 50.
As dimma said, the retaliator always gets caught, but it should never have hot that far. The tackle was later that Petterd's on Johnson but the Johnson gets a down field free Chris gets nothing.
 
rosy23 said:
Newmo doesn't seem to see it that way himself. He's admitted being disappointed with his lack of disclipine and obviously giving away the 50.


He definitely lost his cool in the heat of the moment...but the decision was still disappointing.
He's not going to say anything negative about the umpires....players can't do that unless they want to lose coin. ::)
 
Also lost some respect for Selwood last night, great great player but a dog never the less. What upset me even more though is Richmond's response to the incident, and the fact that we did not have anyone showing any backbone and getting in his face apart from the Newman. Was embarrassing to see Deledio go and stand against him after the incident and not put any physical pressure on him what so ever. Looked like men against boys. Timid. In fact he could not even make eye contact. I know he's not a physical player but gee get a LITTLE angry Brett.

This is part of the reply by vinpaul, and a fair summation i think. Thing is had it been the reversed and YOU had Selwood in your team, it may? have been different. Like the bloke (Selwood) or not he IS A LEADER, something that you guys lack . Sure may be in the "most hated" players by oppo supporters, would also suggest he is prob in the top half dozen as most valuable in the league
 
Jukes Extended said:
He definitely lost his cool in the heat of the moment...but the decision was still disappointing.
He's not going to say anything negative about the umpires....players can't do that unless they want to lose coin. ::)
Take the fine.
Load of bull that he will not stand up for his players just come and say the ump's are not up to stand.
Time and time again we just sit back and take it.
 
It's umpire appreciation round. What exactly are they being appreciated for? Continued incompetence? It's not just this game and our team. Football supporters in general don't seem to think the umpires do a particularly good job and haven't for some time, so why celebrate it?
 
CarnTheTiges said:
It's umpire appreciation round. What exactly are they being appreciated for? Continued incompetence? It's not just this game and our team. Football supporters in general don't seem to think the umpires do a particularly good job and haven't for some time, so why celebrate it?

Expressing my disappointment by switching from OPSM, a service the umps clearly don't use. So why should I?
 
rosy23 said:
Newmo doesn't seem to see it that way himself. He's admitted being disappointed with his lack of disclipine and obviously giving away the 50.

That was the 50m. Did he happen to say anything about his disappointment at not getting a rightful free when he was dumped after he had disposed of the ball? I suggest not because the AFL has effectively gagged players from commenting on such disgraceful decisions.
 
rosy23 said:
Newmo doesn't seem to see it that way himself. He's admitted being disappointed with his lack of disclipine and obviously giving away the 50.
That's the sort of person Newy is.

It's usually the last person , the retaliator, who gets pinged. They last action was Sellwood dumping Newy on the ground. The result was a 50 metre penalty to Geelong.
 
acatman said:
This is part of the reply by vinpaul, and a fair summation i think. Thing is had it been the reversed and YOU had Selwood in your team, it may? have been different. Like the bloke (Selwood) or not he IS A LEADER, something that you guys lack . Sure may be in the "most hated" players by oppo supporters, would also suggest he is prob in the top half dozen as most valuable in the league

I don't think anyone is disputing he's a great player.

But he's by far the player I've seen this year who spends the most amount of time working the umpires to win cheap fees.

Would he have such a golden reputation if he played for an unpopular club like the Bulldogs and hadn't got such a big early profile? Would he get so many frees if he didn't have the halo effecting of being a premiership player? Would people be less willing to overlook the fact he's a bit of a stager?
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
I don't think anyone is disputing he's a great player.

But he's by far the player I've seen this year who spends the most amount of time working the umpires to win cheap fees.

Would he have such a golden reputation if he played for an unpopular club like the Bulldogs and hadn't got such a big early profile? Would he get so many frees if he didn't have the halo effecting of being a premiership player? Would people be less willing to overlook the fact he's a bit of a stager?

Hmmm reckon Jack stages for heaps of frees to (though i dont want to start petty arguements) Selwood literally willed the cats to beat hawks in the first round of the season, dont "think" that was based on him working the umps to win cheap frees ( not saying he doesnt). I'd put him as very good player/leader FIRST....stager second.