Just give Freo, Gold Coast and North a call and let them know that’s what they have agreed toSurely all this stuff is already sorted and it’s all purely click bait rubbish for the AFL. Rioli was up having chats with the GC in April ffs!!
Rioli+20 for 6+13
Baker and Bolton to Freo for 10/11/18.
Package 10/11 for 2.
Picks - 1,2,6,13,18
Done.
Grand sale. Grand sale. Nothing at all to do with playing with hard balls, simplest n cheapest of nasty deals possible was done with barely a thought or option. Yeah I guess Brisvegas might have had a 3 or 4 club deal all worked out to get them the points they wanted for half value, then again maybe not. There was only 1 or 2 other clubs that could have come close to offering Brisvegas the much needed points value for their pick matching.Except other clubs either singly or combined could have given the Brions another package of late picks so they get what they need and we are left holding late picks that are of no value to us. And we miss out on 20.
This is ehy we probably "gave up" 32 - likely we had to beat another offer to shift those picks and secure pick 20.
The idea that you just play trade hardball all the time is only attractive to morons.
The hilarious thing about all these critiques of this trade is that it's assumed every other club just waits politely for us to decide what we want to do.
It's like other clubs and trade managers dont exist in this fantasy view of the world.
Why Bolton plus pick 20??
He is a star, no need giving something back.
If they really want him, 2 picks under 15..work it out. Nothing coming back the other way either maybe pick 76
The talk here is still Baker to the weagles. they just have to find a way to get the deal done. Hope he goes to the dockers though.Surely all this stuff is already sorted and it’s all purely click bait rubbish for the AFL. Rioli was up having chats with the GC in April ffs!!
Rioli+20 for 6+13
Baker and Bolton to Freo for 10/11/18.
Package 10/11 for 2.
Picks - 1,2,6,13,18
Done.
Don't believe what you read. WC is still where he wants to go and they are still keen to make it happen.T
Right now West Coast aren’t in the conversation. Freo has the upper hand.
Gold PostTo make matters worse he's going to struggle to find potatoes to load up on in this draft.
FWIW I think the below trades are possible and take into account what we've heard out of the clubs involved.
Shai and 20 - For 10,11 and 30
Rioli, 51 and 61 - For 6 and 29
Even not allowing for Baker or other pick trades, it leaves us with: 1, 6, 10, 11, 24, 29, 30, 70 and 76. The important thing with the later 2, is both will come in significantly with the picks to disappear from the draft due to bids on Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako and Marshall. Not even allowing for the Campo twins, which would mean if we want we could match on
Baker we should get a pick somewhere between 12-18 from West Coast or Freo, or as mooted, a trade up to 3 which I'd prefer personally.
If WC did 3 for Bakes and 11 (not sure they would) but if they did that would leave us with a ripping hand. Some would say we came out short changed, but overall trading would have been good, maintained relationships with clubs when over the next few years we are more likely to be the aggressors in trades and hands us an almighty hand for the draft.
Probably 4-5 picks in the top 20 (with most of those in the top 10), then a couple of later picks for sliders in the 20's and finally keep the last 2 if we want our NGA kid basically for junk at the end of the draft.
The big spanner in the works is other clubs coming hard for 13.Surely all this stuff is already sorted and it’s all purely click bait rubbish for the AFL. Rioli was up having chats with the GC in April ffs!!
Rioli+20 for 6+13
Baker and Bolton to Freo for 10/11/18.
Package 10/11 for 2.
Picks - 1,2,6,13,18
Done.
If Freo are prepared to give 10, 11 and 18 for Shai and Bakes they're prepared to give 10 & 11 for Shai.Just listening to the media. Usually they do this to lay the groundwork for an actual deal.
We want 10 and 11. They want 10 and 18. It'll be somewhere in between, hence the 10, 11 and 30 for Shai and 20. I'd much prefer the 7 pick upgrade in the teens and take the 10 pick downgrade in the 20's.
But Freo dont have pick 5 TS !!I am aware freo don't have 5. I've stated about 50 bloody times I understand how the system works. And player value, like the value of anything, is not that subjective. It's based on measurable factors, age, achievements, stats etc etc. 10 and 11 is not a premium for freo, it's a discount.
If Freo are prepared to give 10, 11 and 18 for Shai and Bakes they're prepared to give 10 & 11 for Shai.
Grand sale. Grand sale. Nothing at all to do with playing with hard balls, simplest n cheapest of nasty deals possible was done with barely a thought or option. Yeah I guess Brisvegas might have had a 3 or 4 club deal all worked out to get them the points they wanted for half value, then again maybe not. There was only 1 or 2 other clubs that could have come close to offering Brisvegas the much needed points value for their pick matching.
Yeah, I used the house analogy in the Rioli/Baker & Suns/Freo cases. You want the house, you pay the price required. We wanted the house, we paid the price, no mucking around.100%
"Oh noes the media said we are asking too much so we better back off".
We all agree houses are also overpriced but if you sell yours you want it to go for as high as possible.
Is trade week over?smart cookie? He got reamed.
Not sure of all the parts but I reckon we should be going hard to get both pick 3 and Essendons 9.Just thinking a bit more to this (and this is why you look at an overall trade position rather than individual trades).
I don't think WC do 3 for Baker and 10, but what if we did 6 and Baker, for 3 and their 2nd (25). Might seem a bit unders, but stick with me here.
We then trade that 2nd (25), or maybe even one of the later ones shown above (29 or 30), plus our F2 for the Bombers Pick 9. Just did the maths, probably need both the later ones, but we get a F3rd back. Something like 9 and Bombers F3rd, for 29, 30 and F2nd.
Whilst it may seem unders for the Baker trade I reckon it gives us a stronger hand.
With a Baker trade to come, we had 1, 6, 10, 11, 24, 29, 30, 70 and 76.
After the trades above, we'd have: 1, 3, 9, 10, 11, 24, 25, 70 and 76, but having lost Baker.
So essentially 6, 29, 30 and the pick slide in 2025 (plus Bakes), for 3, 9 and 25.
I'd be doing that.
We'd have such a strong hand if something like this occurred,
They were always getting Ashcroft.lolBit disappointed that we gave up pick 32 - a pretty useable pick in a strong draft. I’ve been kinda barracking against Freo all year knowing we had that pick whereas now it’s just become a vehicle for the current premiers to snaffle the best kid in the draft.
Point are useless too us.no one has the points like we do
Not sure of all the parts but I reckon we should be going hard to get both pick 3 and Essendons 9.
Why would Essendon trade their pick 9 for those picks?Something like 9 and Bombers F3rd, for 29, 30 and F2nd.