Trade Week - Richmond Only

[Dyer'ere]

@spook or @Scoop or whatever his name is has been fixated on this FOS at #2 thing. To RFC. And as recently as yesterday was thinking of wild schemes for pick #8. It's only dawning on me that Blair is too.

I was thinking Blair would cop our current hand if it netted us Lalor and Player X. Yeah, nah.

Why is Blair sniffing around #13? To meet St Kilda's requirements for pick #7-8? Why #7-8? It's on the table and even if it won't satisfy Norfs it may still get us Player X. #13 might go to St Kilda or Norfs. I'm still ruminating on that.

Pick #8 costs us 11+24 or 29? Dunno. Thinking...

Here's the thing. We have let it out that we're taking Bo Allan at say #11. Why would we trade that out? If we want Allan we will keep the pick. But. If we can't have Allan why wouldn't we trade the pick that gets him to WCE or FREO? We then have 12 or 14 to argy bargy. And the other stuff we get for downgrading.

The #2 pick in this draft is a very strong card. Very strong. Thursfield has a lot of power. He can always just pivot and take FOS. He can grind it down to 3+38 any time. Maybe squeeze a bit harder. Maybe grind down again from #3. Blair will have to meet NMFC's price but there are lots of deals he can do on the way to that.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Righto, old man. Just for you:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra pick in the first round. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.

We now have 1, 2, 7, 11, 15, 29, 32 and an F2.
Lalor, FOS, Smillie, Hotton/Allan, Whitlock, and who the hell knows.

This is plausible, @Scoop. Terrific work.

 

[Brodders17]

Mods, maybe @The_General can we move (or stop) this trivial ongoing stuff about the worth of points for picks that's taken over this thread.

It's been a ripper thread with great debate and opinion on juniors on the JUNIOR board. Let's not lose that.

There is a thread on the main board called Trade Week Richmond Only for that stuff.

Fair point.

 

[No 4]

Blair planned this year from last year's draft. We hold the cards, we are the "hammer", so its our time to hammer these deals our way.
if we swap picks it will be to our advantage, if not, the other clubs trading at some point will lose a pick (or earlier pick) in a strong draft.
I'm quite confident we can pull this off, if not, we just sit back and just pick and as picks turn over, the clubs will become more desperate and will offer more if their targets are there.

 

[daniel30]

Righto, old man. Just for you:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra pick in the first round. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.

We now have 1, 2, 7, 11, 15, 29, 32 and an F2.
Lalor, FOS, Smillie, Hotton/Allan, Whitlock, and who the hell knows.

We're getting shafted all that to get pick 2 and get 7 when we got 6. Pick 24 let alone is gold first pick the second night clubs will come at us with a first rounder. In that twenty range where we have multiple picks that's we're all the KP players will go . No for me.

 

[spook]

We're getting shafted all that to get pick 2 and get 7 when we got 6. Pick 24 let alone is gold first pick the second night clubs will come at us with a first rounder. In that twenty range where we have multiple picks that's we're all the KP players will go . No for me.

Got it. You'd rather have pick 15 next year than Finn O'Sullivan.

We are not getting shafted in the slightest. You have to give up something to get something. We're giving up the chance to trade for pick 15 nest year, for FOS. We're winning.

 

[Berwick boy]

Really?
Tell me how Points become involved in the Rioli trade for instance?

 

[Dyer'ere]

We're getting shafted all that to get pick 2 and get 7 when we got 6. Pick 24 let alone is gold first pick the second night clubs will come at us with a first rounder. In that twenty range where we have multiple picks that's we're all the KP players will go . No for me.

There is very good mail around, daniel, that Blair is in negotiations right now around picks 10 and 13.

And there is mail around that Blair is negotiations right now for GWS 15.

We know that RFC is mad on FOS and wants him at #2. And that Chortle-on is mad on FOS and wants him at #3.

Spook is making sense of this stuff. And very good sense of it IMO.

FWIW I reckon his final scenario is a bit optimistic but eh. We're trying to make sense of Blair's bigger picture in light of the new info that's getting around. The Port mail is rock solid. The GWS mail probably is.

What we think of the business after Blair does is, well, is even harder to predict than the business itself. On the face of it I think it'd be a miracle for Blair to pull that off but you're thinking maybe it's not enough. We'll get a bit more information soon enough and maybe it will work out to the satisfaction of all.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Point taken

Arse hole. That was my point, give it back or I'll sool the mods onta ya. Bloody nerve of some people takin another person's point.

 

[Mr Brightside]

There is very good mail around, daniel, that Blair is in negotiations right now around picks 10 and 13.

And there is mail around that Blair is negotiations right now for GWS 15.

We know that RFC is mad on FOS and wants him at #2. And that Chortle-on is mad on FOS and wants him at #3.

Spook is making sense of this stuff. And very good sense of it IMO.

FWIW I reckon his final scenario is a bit optimistic but eh. We're trying to make sense of Blair's bigger picture in light of the new info that's getting around. The Port mail is rock solid. The GWS mail probably is.

What we think of the business after Blair does is, well, is even harder to predict than the business itself. On the face of it I think it'd be a miracle for Blair to pull that off but you're thinking maybe it's not enough. We'll get a bit more information soon enough and maybe it will work out to the satisfaction of all.

I’ve come up with a very simple theory Jack , land pick 2 or don’t bother trading up , imho we need FoS to go with Lalor , there future class above in the mids , if we can’t get the 2 elites then stock pile .

My guess is it wouldn’t be impossible to get 2 and 7 with the later picks we have , so then we’d hit the draft with 1,2,6 and 7 , obviously lose 10,11,18,20 ish , not sure if that’s better or not with the even draft ? I still think there’s a little more gap between the top 3 then next 5 ish and the next dozen or so then most think

 

[mrposhman]

Righto, old man. Just for you:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra pick in the first round. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.

We now have 1, 2, 7, 11, 15, 29, 32 and an F2.
Lalor, FOS, Smillie, Hotton/Allan, Whitlock, and who the hell knows.

Not bad.

If you break it down.

6, 10 and 18 all upgraded into 2, 7 and 15
23 probably offsets with F2
20 and 24 downgraded to 29 and 32

That would be a massive win for me personally.

 

[mrposhman]

Get you mate. My worry bully is that we loose those multiple picks in the twenty range where Shanahan, Faull, Sim and Whitlock are. We still got 11 and 15 , but that might be a bit of a reach for some of them.

We can still trade back again. Potentially trading Pick 15 back again in live trades. From seeing most rankings Sims is more likely to be mid to late 30's, along with Mraz, O'Farrell etc.

 

[Willo]

This is plausible, @Scoop. Terrific work.

Agreed. Well done Spoop.

 

[Leysy Days]

I’ve come up with a very simple theory Jack , land pick 2 or don’t bother trading up , imho we need FoS to go with Lalor , there future class above in the mids , if we can’t get the 2 elites then stock pile .

My guess is it wouldn’t be impossible to get 2 and 7 with the later picks we have , so then we’d hit the draft with 1,2,6 and 7 , obviously lose 10,11,18,20 ish , not sure if that’s better or not with the even draft ? I still think there’s a little more gap between the top 3 then next 5 ish and the next dozen or so then most think

Personally, not keen on trading up many (if any) of those later 4 picks into this year.

They are our gateway into another ripper draft in 25'. Better served there ILO. We need more than only our first rd pick next year. Especially when we'll get overs for them.

Potentially big overs.

 

[Leysy Days]

Not bad.

If you break it down.

6, 10 and 18 all upgraded into 2, 7 and 15
23 probably offsets with F2
20 and 24 downgraded to 29 and 32

That would be a massive win for me personally.

Not sure 23 off sets F2.

23 will get us into the first round next year. And not necessarily late in the round.

F2 will end up 25+, probably later.

 

[TimeToRoar]

Richmond website has recollections on RFC number one draft picks leading up to 2024 draft. First one is Richard Lounder.
Why do this to us???

 

[Tenacious]

Richmond website has recollections on RFC number one draft picks leading up to 2024 draft. First one is Richard Lounder.
Why do this to us???

Musta been hacked

 

[TimeToRoar]

Musta been hacked

As long as it is not preparing us……..

 

[TT33]

As long as it is not preparing us……..

Hopefully it's showing how far the whole system has progressed.
The data accumulated now is quite amazing. Back then is was incredibly amateurish. It took the Tigers many years to come to grips with the fact that it was no longer the Graeme Richmond era of recruiting. We wasted pretty much 20 years before the penny dropped.

 

[gold1]

Hopefully it's showing how far the whole system has progressed.
The data accumulated now is quite amazing. Back then is was incredibly amateurish. It took the Tigers many years to come to grips with the fact that it was no longer the Graeme Richmond era of recruiting. We wasted pretty much 20 years before the penny dropped.

bloody good era though.