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Firstly, 1 - you are using 2024 points value for the future pick, even though the points are worth significantly less - but you are using this as a guide for whats "fair" from a points value so you don't even know how to use the 2 indexes correctly.
Dude i was using the calculator as guide so don't stress over trivialities Strawman. I was quoting a poster if you'd been following the thread where he/she said we may need to give 6 and 10 for 2 which i disagreed on. It wasn't my ridiculous trade i was actually juicing it up on what he quoted. You seem to have a personal vendetta against me or suffer poorly in following discussions. Either way I'm glad I'm living rent free inside your Head. lol


Secondly - Everyone knows that the top picks in this draft are fairly even, so it comes down to pick preference (an intangible that you can't get from any points index). So as some of us have said before the "pick premium" if you want to use the index, will be much smaller than getting into the top 25 (which you called disgusting because again you only look at points instead of the intangible of the actual players available).
This is nonsense bc historically it's proven to be false so i don't believe you. People pretty well say this every year, yet a poster earlier put up how the early picks are rarely even. Again you missed that post.. Stick to the topic as the disgusting trade was a massive differential and the reality is we gave them equivalent to 20 and 24 for 20 in return. Stop the nonsense and stop dribbling rubbish everywhere . You need to follow the conversation and stick to what's being discussed. That trade has been done to death now and we lost out on it.


You need to cut the personal attacks out and debate amicably as this isn't a points scoring competition. :ROFLMAO:

No personal vendetta, I just like to call out idiocy when I see it.

So on the 2nd point, you are saying its idiocy to say that players in the top 6 are fairly even, and then theres a group of players that are even after that, and essentially saying that there aren't clear standouts way above the others that you pay massive premiums for, despite the fact that every single draft commentator (who is employed by the industry) says exactly the same thing. If you compare our Brisbane trade with others that got into that next group (top 6, then next 20-25) then you'd see the "premium" paid was lineal and wasn't out of expectation of what others were paying for upgrades, but ignore everything else if it makes you feel better.

Sorry, we'd better ignore all those things like player ratings, player abilities and just cede to the overlords of the points index.

Note, that pretty much everyone on this thread thinks you are wrong, maybe look in the mirror and realise when you've got something wrong.
 
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Anything that leaves us with 1,2 and 6 and then possibly 10, 20, 23 and 24 whilst giving out 11 & 18, would be quite simply, incredible.

Bloody hell. That's Donut Guts, FOS, one of Smith/Langford/Draper/Reid/Smillie......and that's before getting stuck into the likes of Allan, the Hitchcocks, Lindsay Buckingham, Chuck Berry etc.

Unreal.
 
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No personal vendetta, I just like to call out idiocy when I see it.

So on the 2nd point, you are saying its idiocy to say that players in the top 6 are fairly even, and then theres a group of players that are even after that, and essentially saying that there aren't clear standouts way above the others that you pay massive premiums for, despite the fact that every single draft commentator (who is employed by the industry) says exactly the same thing. If you compare our Brisbane trade with others that got into that next group (top 6, then next 20-25) then you'd see the "premium" paid was lineal and wasn't out of expectation of what others were paying for upgrades, but ignore everything else if it makes you feel better.

Sorry, we'd better ignore all those things like player ratings, player abilities and just cede to the overlords of the points index.

Note, that pretty much everyone on this thread thinks you are wrong, maybe look in the mirror and realise when you've got something wrong.
Yawn as you're speculating and generalising as usual even to the extent of your last sentence. Have you conducted a poll as I've only had the usual 7-8 posters whining. lol. History doesn't lie.
 

Well I'm done with you too. I generally have a consensus that everyone has the right to an opinion so I don't put anyone on ignore, but you should feel special, about to be the 1st on my ignore list. I have no need to hear anything you have to say as its always complete nonsense.
 
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How about #2 and f1 for #11 and #18 - they could possibly then pick 2 quality talls, better than 1 ………..maybe

I still see enormous value in our 2 picks we are giving up and we put pressure on the lolnorf to back themselves to rise up the ladder in 2025.
Better chance of Google paying Russia’s $100 decillion dollar fine.
 
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How about #2 and f1 for #11 and #18 - they could possibly then pick 2 quality talls, better than 1 ………..maybe

I still see enormous value in our 2 picks we are giving up and we put pressure on the lolnorf to back themselves to rise up the ladder in 2025.
Whatever deal with North it must include their f1.Selling 2 games in WA means an xtra 2 losses even against the Eagles.
 
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.Fancy finishing 2nd last and only have 2 picks in a deep draft with the 2nd being in Dud Delist range.
Rawlings was put in a corner that he couldn't get out of with the Daniels trade.
They are the most desperate side who wants to get back into this years draft.(They're even putting a for sale sign of their f1.What does that tell you)
We should pounce on our terms.
2 & 62
Vs
11 & 18
Or
6 & 18 - f1>>Our way
#Lolnorf could always do 7 n 32 or future pick from StKiddenme for 2 if they think we're gunna bend them over n pillage them to hard.
 
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Well I'm done with you too. I generally have a consensus that everyone has the right to an opinion so I don't put anyone on ignore, but you should feel special, about to be the 1st on my ignore list. I have no need to hear anything you have to say as its always complete nonsense.
Peace be with you as it must be a sad world if two Tiger supporters can't have an amicable discussion.
 
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Normally i carry on like a pork chop about the need for talls early.
This draft it seems is a bit different. Two talls seem to be above the others but the rest are all rated about the same.
It is a midfielder heavy draft in the first 15 to 20 picks. After about pick 15 the experts are saying it does start to drop off a bit when it comes to pure mids. Make hay while we can.

Look at the flag years we took Riewoldt at 13, Rance at 18 and Balta at 25. Tom Lynch was originally drafted at pick 11.

I would be happy to take a tall at 10 or 11 but only if they are rated better than any mid still there. Imo 18 thru 24 is the right place to target a tall and then go hard at another one or two next year in what is supposed to be a very good pool of talls.

Needless to say this opinion will possibly change in a few days time.

Atm im in the keep our picks camp but remain open to trading pick one or trading for pick 2.

The way it is going and just how even the first 10 are i keep wondering what if we traded pick 1 for melbourne's pick 5 and 9. Not that they would do that imo.
Picks 5 and 6 and we may well still get two of those top 5 mids that are often spoken about. Then we have 9, 10,11, and round it all out with 18 20, 23, 24. So we take more picks in this draft it would allow us to maximise this draft and trade for future picks if we wish.


Or the flip side is we trade for pick 2 just as long as it did not involve pick 6.

This draft it is not inconcievable that picks 10 and 11 could end up better than the top 5 picks. It is why clubs are fighting so hard for picks right thru to pick 30. It is why im in favor of hanging onto our picks for now.
 
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Perhaps St KIlda could be the party to get a Pick 2 trade over the line. Not sure we'd be doing this, as it takes away all out picks for talls later in the draft, maybe we would throw up a future 2nd instead of 1 of them, but this probably isn't a million miles away. Would we trade those 3 at the back end of the 1st round (all will end up picks in the 20's) for Pick 2? Depends I suppose on how good we think FOS could be. We could then slide back from 11 if we wanted to, there would be plenty of offers.

Richmond In - Pick 2. Out Picks 18, 20 and 23
Saints In - Picks 18 and 20. Out Pick 7
North In - Picks 7 and 23. Out 2

Going into the draft would leave us with Picks 1, 2, 6, 10, 11 and 24.

Would seem to satisfy all parties on what they were after, assuming we were ok with using those 3 picks up.

Richmond - Gets another top draftee for the cost of 3 20's picks, retains all of 6, 10 and 11
Saints - Have said they are interested to split - Giants could beat our offer if they wanted to
North - Probably keeps a pick that gets Tauru (only Melbourne could take him, I don't think the will personally) and gets them another pick in the "talls" region of the draft
 
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I find it hard to believe we'll get pick 2 just for the loss of 11 and 18.
If it ends up being that, then the statue of Hartley will be erected by December.

Not too mention the countless of other erections by members of PRE.
 
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Perhaps St KIlda could be the party to get a Pick 2 trade over the line. Not sure we'd be doing this, as it takes away all out picks for talls later in the draft, maybe we would throw up a future 2nd instead of 1 of them, but this probably isn't a million miles away. Would we trade those 3 at the back end of the 1st round (all will end up picks in the 20's) for Pick 2? Depends I suppose on how good we think FOS could be. We could then slide back from 11 if we wanted to, there would be plenty of offers.

Richmond In - Pick 2. Out Picks 18, 20 and 23
Saints In - Picks 18 and 20. Out Pick 7
North In - Picks 7 and 23. Out 2

Going into the draft would leave us with Picks 1, 2, 6, 10, 11 and 24.

Would seem to satisfy all parties on what they were after, assuming we were ok with using those 3 picks up.

Richmond - Gets another top draftee for the cost of 3 20's picks, retains all of 6, 10 and 11
Saints - Have said they are interested to split - Giants could beat our offer if they wanted to
North - Probably keeps a pick that gets Tauru (only Melbourne could take him, I don't think the will personally) and gets them another pick in the "talls" region of the draft
Saints getting rogered
 
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What ? But you are the Magic Pudding predictor of trades spoof !

You've changed man. You've changed. :ROFLMAO:
Righto, old man. Just for you:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra pick in the first round. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.

We now have 1, 2, 7, 11, 15, 29, 32 and an F2.
Lalor, FOS, Smillie, Hotton/Allan, Whitlock, and who the hell knows.
 
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Mods, maybe @The_General can we move (or stop) this trivial ongoing stuff about the worth of points for picks that's taken over this thread.

It's been a ripper thread with great debate and opinion on juniors on the JUNIOR board. Let's not lose that.

There is a thread on the main board called Trade Week Richmond Only for that stuff.
Point taken
 
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