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Why Richmond might not trade for North Melbourne’s pick two
Marc McGowan
October 29, 2024 — 12.37pmRichmond’s reluctance to part with pick six could force North Melbourne to use their No.2 selection in next month’s AFL draft or find another taker.
There is a strong group of midfielders, including Sam Lalor, Brisbane Lions father-son prospect Levi Ashcroft, Finn O’Sullivan, Jagga Smith, Sid Draper, Harvey Langford and Josh Smillie, set to be chosen early in the draft, which has put the Kangaroos in a challenging spot.
North already have Luke Davies-Uniacke, Jy Simpkin, George Wardlaw, Harry Sheezel, Colby McKercher and even Will Phillips, and just traded for Luke Parker, but need key position players at both ends.
That is why the Roos are open to offloading pick two for multiple later selections, where they would slide only a few picks back in the draft.
The Tigers boast an extraordinary seven first-round selections, as well as the coveted opening pick of the second round on day two, but are set to re-sign Thomson Dow, a source familiar with negotiations told this masthead, meaning they will have only seven list spots available.
Richmond’s almost unprecedented draft hand – picks one, six, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23 and 24 – owes largely to them agreeing to trade Daniel Rioli (Gold Coast), Shai Bolton (Fremantle) and Liam Baker (West Coast).
However, the Tigers’ second-round selection could fetch them a future first-rounder, and reduce their number of picks to seven, in line with how many players they’ll need to fill their list, should they retain Dow.
Richmond are tipped to use the No.1 selection on GWV Rebels rising star Lalor, who is being likened to Dustin Martin for his physicality, power, skills and ability to impact the game equally as a midfielder or forward. This masthead ranked Lalor at the top of our draft rankings at the start of this month.
Carlton star Sam Walsh’s second cousin, hard-running midfielder O’Sullivan, and Smith, the draft’s best ball, are also in that mix, but most recruiters who spoke to this masthead are certain Lalor will be the first player taken.
Another factor is the Tigers’ interest in 195-centimetre Patrick Cripps clone Josh Smillie, who hails from junior club Park Orchards, where Richmond list boss Blair Hartley is a coach and Hartley’s son plays.
Smillie looms as Richmond’s selection if they maintain pick six, but there is less certainty he would still be there four selections later.
North Melbourne are linked to Gippsland Power’s athletic interceptor Alix Tauru, who looms as the draft’s biggest bolter, and Sandringham Dragons key forward Harry Armstrong, but both players should be available at a lower selection in the top 10.
Melbourne (picks five and nine), St Kilda (seven and eight) and Richmond (10) could also consider Tauru or Armstrong with one of their top-10 picks, while another tall defender, Luke Trainor, looms as a later first-round choice.
The Demons used most of their draft collateral trading up for Essendon’s No.9 selection and are not expected to try to move up again, leaving the Saints as the likeliest potential trade partner for the Roos’ pick two if nothing eventuates with the Tigers.
North Melbourne lost Tarryn Thomas this year, so could select a midfielder-forward type at No.2 instead of reaching for a taller bookend, unless the plan is for Sheezel to spend more time in attack than in an on-ball role.
Some rival recruiters believe the Kangaroos’ bulk drafting of midfielders in the past five years means they might need to consider their list needs instead of taking the best available player, as clubs typically do when selecting at the pointy end of the draft.
Another option is North using their future first-rounder to trade into the top 10 for a second selection, meaning they could take a midfielder first and still address their key-position need.
That would require a team to trade out of a highly touted, deep and even draft, so the Roos may need to offer a sweetener for that to happen.
One of Richmond or North Melbourne could place a bid on Ashcroft with the first two picks, but the Lions are certain to match either way.
Sounds like if we deal with Norf, it won't be at the stake of pick 6 which I agree with.
10/11 and 18 could work. That would give Norf a crack at 2 KPP....Tauru, Armstrong, Sims, Whitlock(s), Faull - they could nab two of those with these picks.
Gives us 1, 2 and 6 for Lalor, FOS/Jagga, Smillie/Langford
Win, wins for all
10/11 and 18 could work. That would give Norf a crack at 2 KPP....Tauru, Armstrong, Sims, Whitlock(s), Faull - they could nab two of those with these picks.
Gives us 1, 2 and 6 for Lalor, FOS/Jagga, Smillie/Langford
Win, wins for all
You mean 10 ,11 and 18 if that's the case we might as well fold as club.
The deal will be on our terms roos put themselves in a corner.
I think he means one of 10 or 11 and also 18.
Looks like the only way both get Tauru is to use pick 2 to me. Offer them 11 and 18 and we can take Armstrong at 10 !!
10 and 18 is all I would give to Norf. Take it or leave it. No way we should be giving anything more in such a deep draft. Truth is i don't see 10 and 18 getting the deal done so we should just take our picks to the bank. Hearing Hartley is super keen on pick 2 so who knows what might happen. We may end up giving 3 picks away to make it happen and leave us with 1,2 and 6 to get Lalor, FOS/Smith and Smillie. That would fix our midfield in one swoop.
This article says we have 7 list spots but we have 8 don’t we?
currently got 36
27 main list
7 rookies
2 Cat B
Max is 44 inc the 2 Cat B
| Minimum 37 players all up on list |
| Maximum 44 players all up on list inc 2 Cat B |
| Minimum 36 & max 38 on main list |
| 4-6 Cat A Rookies |
| 2 Cat B Rookies |
The article seemed to say that keeping Dow puts us back to 7.
na, they are wrong
well not really wrong, they are probably looking ahead & realising we have to put at least one rookie onto the main list as we have 7 & the max is 6
but we still would only have 36 all up with that change & we are allowed up to 44 inc the 2 Cat B
yeah that's my understanding Taz which means that we can have 8 picks and must also elevate one rookie minimum to the main list
One rookie elevation and 8 picks would give us 36 on the main list plus 6 rookies which is fine.
Grimes, Martin, Rioli, Bolton, Graham, Baker, Naismith, Pickett, Coulthard, Cumberland off and Gray and Blight on = 8
They could be right. If we have committed to taking Colina as a rookie, it may have to be as a Category A rookie. I don't think he qualifies as a cat B again as he has previously been on a list- ours. So we will have to elevate two rookies to do this, not one.
Maybe.
Grey area.
Shouldn't do it anyway. At worst, the 8th player that we draft should be with the first pick in the Rookie Draft and should be the best leftover player after the National Draft, that won't be Colina. He is like 100th best. At best.
Maybe.
Grey area.
Shouldn't do it anyway. At worst, the 8th player that we draft should be with the first pick in the Rookie Draft and should be the best leftover player after the National Draft, that won't be Colina. He is like 100th best. At best.
I've said it since B&F night, Blair said we will not trade up and we will use all our picks.
Where not losing a pick. Unless north accepts pick 10 & 23 for pick 2
Make Norf use pick 2 on Tauru. We’ll get damned good players with all our early picks.
Not sure what he said there Zips but after the trade period he said that we are open to anything that will benefit the Richmond Football club.
I hope that is the attitude and we go in with maximum flexibility. I suspect we will
Others are saying he’s super keen on Lalor and FOS.
If true he’s got a problem because he won’t be able to achieve both.
