Trade Week - Richmond Only

[tigertim]

Take it.

Pick 1 & 2 should gurantee us the best 2 kids in the draft.

The 1 & 2 of the last 20 drafts and some players who weren’t:


2023: Reid, Mckercher
2022: Cadman, Ashcroft (Sheezel)
2021: Horne Francis, Darcy (Daicos, Callaghan,)
2020: Ugle Hagen, Thilthorpe (Gulden, not much else that year!)
2019: Rowell, Anderson (Jackson, Serong, Green)
2018: Walsh, Lukosius (Rozee, Blakey, Butters)
2017: Rayner, Brayshaw (LDU, Kelly)
2016: McGrath, Taranto (McLuggage, Berry, Bolton)
2015: Weitering, Schache (Mills, Oliver, Parish, McKay, Dunkley)
2014: McCartin, Petracca (Brayshaw, Degoey, Moore, Heeney)
2013: Boyd, Kelly (Bontempelli, Cripps, Merrett)
2012: Whitfield, O’Rourke ( Vlaustin, Wines, Daniher)
2011: Patton, Coniglio (Greene, Mitchell)
2010: Swallow, Bennell (Prestia, Parker, Libba)
2009: Scully, Trengrove (Martin, Fyfe, Gawn)
2008: Watts, Natanui (Sidebottom, Walters, Beams)
2007: Kruezer, Cotchin (Dangerfield, Rance, Taylor)
2006: Gibbs, Gumbleton (Selwood, Riewoldt, Boak)
2005: Murphy, Thomas (Pendlebury, Kennedy, Ryder)
2004: Deledio, Roughead (Franklin)

 

[TigerMasochist]

The 1 & 2 of the last 20 drafts and some players who weren’t:


2023: Reid, Mckercher
2022: Cadman, Ashcroft (Sheezel)
2021: Horne Francis, Darcy (Daicos, Callaghan,)
2020: Ugle Hagen, Thilthorpe (Gulden, not much else that year!)
2019: Rowell, Anderson (Jackson, Serong, Green)
2018: Walsh, Lukosius (Rozee, Blakey, Butters)
2017: Rayner, Brayshaw (LDU, Kelly)
2016: McGrath, Taranto (McLuggage, Berry, Bolton)
2015: Weitering, Schache (Mills, Oliver, Parish, McKay, Dunkley)
2014: McCartin, Petracca (Brayshaw, Degoey, Moore, Heeney)
2013: Boyd, Kelly (Bontempelli, Cripps, Merrett)
2012: Whitfield, O’Rourke ( Vlaustin, Wines, Daniher)
2011: Patton, Coniglio (Greene, Mitchell)
2010: Swallow, Bennell (Prestia, Parker, Libba)
2009: Scully, Trengrove (Martin, Fyfe, Gawn)
2008: Watts, Natanui (Sidebottom, Walters, Beams)
2007: Kruezer, Cotchin (Dangerfield, Rance, Taylor)
2006: Gibbs, Gumbleton (Selwood, Riewoldt, Boak)
2005: Murphy, Thomas (Pendlebury, Kennedy, Ryder)
2004: Deledio, Roughead (Franklin)

Just means ya gotta make sure ya nail the picks when ya get the chance. Every draft every year there's a bunch of elite players that get found outside the top 10.

 

[Tigers of Old]

The 1 & 2 of the last 20 drafts and some players who weren’t:


2023: Reid, Mckercher
2022: Cadman, Ashcroft (Sheezel)
2021: Horne Francis, Darcy (Daicos, Callaghan,)
2020: Ugle Hagen, Thilthorpe (Gulden, not much else that year!)
2019: Rowell, Anderson (Jackson, Serong, Green)
2018: Walsh, Lukosius (Rozee, Blakey, Butters)
2017: Rayner, Brayshaw (LDU, Kelly)
2016: McGrath, Taranto (McLuggage, Berry, Bolton)
2015: Weitering, Schache (Mills, Oliver, Parish, McKay, Dunkley)
2014: McCartin, Petracca (Brayshaw, Degoey, Moore, Heeney)
2013: Boyd, Kelly (Bontempelli, Cripps, Merrett)
2012: Whitfield, O’Rourke ( Vlaustin, Wines, Daniher)
2011: Patton, Coniglio (Greene, Mitchell)
2010: Swallow, Bennell (Prestia, Parker, Libba)
2009: Scully, Trengrove (Martin, Fyfe, Gawn)
2008: Watts, Natanui (Sidebottom, Walters, Beams)
2007: Kruezer, Cotchin (Dangerfield, Rance, Taylor)
2006: Gibbs, Gumbleton (Selwood, Riewoldt, Boak)
2005: Murphy, Thomas (Pendlebury, Kennedy, Ryder)
2004: Deledio, Roughead (Franklin)

Well done Timbo. Shows how hit & miss it can be. Seem to be likely to land at least one genuine gun though.

 

[Leysy Days]

Correct. With Not Paddy being given a 1 year extension, we now only have 7 list spots but 8 picks. Its made me very certain that this pick trade with North will happen.

Taz's numbers (8 spots) include Paddy getting a contract.

Probably got confused cos he calls him Not Paddy lol.

 

[tigertim]

Well done Timbo. Shows how hit & miss it can be. Seem to be likely to land at least one genuine gun though.

Yeah, you’re almost guaranteed to get 2 100 gamers but not necessarily the 2 best players.

 

[Don’t Argue]

I have been really strong on us not involving pick 6 in any deal with Norf to get pick 2.

But if this is legit, it’s a godfather deal and we have to say yes.

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Boner alert.

 

[The_General]

I think its a bit much particularly because we hold the cards. Talk them down to 6 and 18.

100% .
6 and 18 in a strong draft.
They could make finals next year through natural improvement and we get pick 9 or 10 in a weaker draft.
No. 2 and F1 for 6 and 18.
Otherwise 6 and 23 for 2.

 

[dimmauchump]

You can take it to the bank we will be grabbing Pick 2. Certainty. Personally I don't like it. Just like I don't like having wasted a list spot on Dow. We go and amass this amazing draft hand of 8 players in the top 25 only to *smile* it in the wind by gifting another year to a delisting waiting to happen in Dow and betting on 1 and 2 being standouts in a very deep draft. Common sense would see us using all 8 picks and making room on the list to ensure it happens. The chance of pick 15 being as good as pick 3 is very possible in this year's draft. Disappointing!

 

[Snatch]

You can take it to the bank we will be grabbing Pick 2. Certainty. Personally I don't like it. Just like I don't like having wasted a list spot on Dow. We go and amass this amazing draft hand of 8 players in the top 25 only to *smile* it in the wind by gifting another year to a delisting waiting to happen in Dow and betting on 1 and 2 being standouts in a very deep draft. Common sense would see us using all 8 picks and making room on the list to ensure it happens. The chance of pick 15 being as good as pick 3 is very possible in this year's draft. Disappointing!

Spot on.Keep the picks.

 

[gold1]

You can take it to the bank we will be grabbing Pick 2. Certainty. Personally I don't like it. Just like I don't like having wasted a list spot on Dow. We go and amass this amazing draft hand of 8 players in the top 25 only to *smile* it in the wind by gifting another year to a delisting waiting to happen in Dow and betting on 1 and 2 being standouts in a very deep draft. Common sense would see us using all 8 picks and making room on the list to ensure it happens. The chance of pick 15 being as good as pick 3 is very possible in this year's draft. Disappointing!

Need someone to teach the new recruits and be vice captain.

 

[Jason King]

Hell no to 6+11. Please don't Blair. I am having enough indigestion as it is without the draft actually taking place!

In essence that would be trading both Daniel Riolli and both Shais balls.

 

[TigerFurious]

No way this is legit. It would be highway robbery and the AFL would intervene and probably fine us for bringing the game into disrepute by taking advantage of mentally unstable club in North Melbourne.

 

[seven]

The 1 & 2 of the last 20 drafts and some players who weren’t:


2023: Reid, Mckercher
2022: Cadman, Ashcroft (Sheezel)
2021: Horne Francis, Darcy (Daicos, Callaghan,)
2020: Ugle Hagen, Thilthorpe (Gulden, not much else that year!)
2019: Rowell, Anderson (Jackson, Serong, Green)
2018: Walsh, Lukosius (Rozee, Blakey, Butters)
2017: Rayner, Brayshaw (LDU, Kelly)
2016: McGrath, Taranto (McLuggage, Berry, Bolton)
2015: Weitering, Schache (Mills, Oliver, Parish, McKay, Dunkley)
2014: McCartin, Petracca (Brayshaw, Degoey, Moore, Heeney)
2013: Boyd, Kelly (Bontempelli, Cripps, Merrett)
2012: Whitfield, O’Rourke ( Vlaustin, Wines, Daniher)
2011: Patton, Coniglio (Greene, Mitchell)
2010: Swallow, Bennell (Prestia, Parker, Libba)
2009: Scully, Trengrove (Martin, Fyfe, Gawn)
2008: Watts, Natanui (Sidebottom, Walters, Beams)
2007: Kruezer, Cotchin (Dangerfield, Rance, Taylor)
2006: Gibbs, Gumbleton (Selwood, Riewoldt, Boak)
2005: Murphy, Thomas (Pendlebury, Kennedy, Ryder)
2004: Deledio, Roughead (Franklin)

All winners in my eyes.
We’ll done

 

[wayne]

I have been really strong on us not involving pick 6 in any deal with Norf to get pick 2.

But if this is legit, it’s a godfather deal and we have to say yes.

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Could have #1 and #2 this year and next year

 

[percyms]

It's a definitive No from me. They're asking too much. So say we take Lalor at 1 and do this to grab FOS at 2. Someone like Smith or Langford could/will be there at 6.
The argument has to be that FOS is about twice the player of the latter 2.
No way in the world! Then you throw in what you get at 11, who could be another champion, maybe Armstrong or Trainor or Travalgia.
It's just silly. No draftee is a certain champion; the injury gods see to that whatever the talent might be presented. FOS should be a very good player, but on perceived form and injury susceptibility with a light and not particularly rugged body, he's no sure thing.
If Smith is still available, he's a much more certain guaranteed performer in the long term IMHO; a ball magnet who finds it constantly and uses it very well. Proved it at every level consistently.
Don't over-reach for pic 2.

Can't see Smith getting past Melbourne

 

[mrposhman]

Taz's numbers (8 spots) include Paddy getting a contract.

Probably got confused cos he calls him Not Paddy lol.

No I got Not Paddy. I'd left Dusty in my calcs.

34 on the list excluding Cat B's so 8 list spots. I still reckon this means we trade at least 1 of our picks as we will surely use the 1st pick of the RD.

 

[TigerMasochist]

34 on the list excluding Cat B's so 8 list spots. I still reckon this means we trade at least 1 of our picks as we will surely use the 1st pick of the RD.

Unless we're upgrading our picks this year we'd want to be getting a hell of a good deal for trading one of our top 24 picks just so we can keep a place open for a pick around the seventies at the rookie draft.

 

[mrposhman]

Unless we're upgrading our picks this year we'd want to be getting a hell of a good deal for trading one of our top 24 picks just so we can keep a place open for a pick around the seventies at the rookie draft.

I'd say the North deal as reported is a very good deal.

Pick 6 for Pick 2 - tick
Norths F1 (2-10) for Pick 11 - tick

The commentary around next years draft is bizarre IMO. The talk that its rubbish, or dominated by academy players is not right. Sure there are a few, but even looking at peoples top 10's for next year on BF, and there is a couple of academy players (a GC one again and a Brisbane 1 I think) but the top 10's most year have very very good players.

I'd be taking the deal above as its currently reported. 2 picks, for 2 picks, so we don't lose one, potentially gain another top 10 pick next year (most would say probably - potentially top 5).

Next years ladder is tough to predict, but if you look at most clubs and whether they are likely to improve. remain stagnant or decline its mostly teams expected to improve, at the same time as North are expecting to improve so I'm not sure they take a huge jump next year, still reckon they will finish bottom 6, so I'm taking that deal personally. That takes us to 7 off and 8 open list spots. Still reckon we trade back Pick 24 (unless there is someone rated very highly on our board), in order to gain additional picks next year. I know points are of lower value, but teams will still be wanting to trade for premium upgrades to get their linked players cheaper than their current picks, it just won't be the feeding frenzy that its been over the last few years,

 

[DavidSSS]

If there is doubt over whether the top mids will still be there at 10 (or whatever it ends up being after the rorts which push picks back), then upgrading 6 to 2 would be wise as we then get to pick the 2 best mids according to the judgement of our recruiting staff. To then swap 11 for North's F1 seems a good deal too.

I actually doubt North has offered this deal, it seems to favour us too much.

I'd take it.

DS

 

[turk-d-tiger]

I'd be pulling all stops to get the engine room kitted out with 2 speedsters and one of Langford or Smith, that to me is the perfect draft. Pick 10 still has major currency, moving up to pick 5 is prime realestate to meet our needs. I think there's value in the twenties, I'm happy with our current positioning and believe we can walk away with a minimum of 4 core footballers this draft. The royal flush will be 5 but we'll have to nail our tall selections which will require some luck and astute drafting.

I think that boat has sailed mate as we had the perfect opportunity to get that done with the Baker trade and we refused that choice
We could of had #3 in the Baker trade with passing on #10 + Baker

Sure we didn't have #14 to get the Bolton deal done but i believe Freo would have caved and handed over #10 + #11
The 4 pick down grade would not have stopped the deal and worse case scenario would have been flicking #23 for their #30